Ace on the river

[Tuben]

Is it a good book that can help a played or is it nothing ?

[Tuben]

Can someone who read it please answer.

[AngryCola]

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Is it a good book that can help a played or is it nothing

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Well, given the two choices, it's more like a good book than "nothing."

[IggyWH]

Here you go, several people who read it :

LINK (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972044221/qid=1123044025/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-4583030-9933513?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

[bobdibble]

There was so much discussion about this book, you don't even have to search for it. Click on either Replies or Views to sort the forum and the threads will bubble to the top.

[Tuben]

Thanks for the answers.

Reading:Review of Ace on the River now.
And checking on amazon it looks like it is some
interesting chapters in it.

[Tuben]

Change my mind when i see what he thinks about the book i thought it would be much money mangement and some ather good thing.

It dosnt look like i want that kind of book.

[AngryCola]

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Change my mind when i see what he thinks about the book

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Who are you talking about?

Nevermind, I see who you were talking about now.

There are a lot of extremely different opinions about Greenstein's book.

Link 1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2779130&page=&view=&s b=5&o=)
Link 2 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2811440&page=&view=&s b=5&o=)
Link 3 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2875402&page=&view=&s b=5&o=)

[Tuben]

I know that but wtf what can i do?
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Chapter 2-- "The Poker Society"

A very brief synopsis of the types of people you will run into in a B&M casino. This did not give me any new information.

Chapter 3-- "How to Behave in Poker Society"

Nothing of value here. Basically says do not be a whiner when you get outdrawn and etc.

Chapter 5-- "Attitude of a Poker Player"

This chapter attempts to ask you 10 questions about your attitude and then tries to explain what your answers may mean. Very short chapter.

Chapter 6-- "Traits of Winning Poker Players"

25 cliches and a brief summary which attempt to explain what traits winning poker players have.

Chapter 7-- "Psychology of Gambling"

This chapter tries to characterize the types of gamblers which has been covered in other books. Again, a VERY short chapter with hardly any content.
Chapter 19-- "Mathematics of Poker"

This chapters starts the section of AVANCED PLAY.

Here is direct quote from page 146: "It will occasionally be helpful if you can count the number of outs you have and are able to figure out pot odds in simple situations. In limit poker, you will generally cointinue on in a hand when you have eight outs or more."

This chapter is about 8 pages long (again that is not taking into account the high glossy photos) and its very high level. Not much in way of details. He states on page 147, that if you have 14 outs on the flop then you are a slight favorite in holdem.

He explains the Martingale strategy.
Chapter 20-- "Game Theory"

There is about one nugget of useful information in this chapter. I will let you find it...think of it as a treasure hunt.

Chapter 23-- Money Management"

discusses reasons for min and max buyin strategies.
Not much content.

Chapter 25-- "Play Lessons"

Now this chapter has some meat to it. It presents hands from different forms of poker and the thinking process involved in each one. This is very good but if you only play NL then there are only couple of hands that are reviewed at this form of poker.


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Looks like interesting chapter but i sounds like it is nothing speciell in them only 1-5 pages and photos?

[Tuben]

Thanks.
Know i really dont know what i should do /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[cero_z]

Hi Tuben,

I haven't read any of the discussion on AOTR, so I'm sure I'm rehashing a bit.

I love this book, largely because it has helped me tremendously, and will probably not help many other people. From a pro's perspective, it's a beautiful thing when key advice is available to your peers/competitors, and yet you know that most of them will dismiss it.

Barry's book will not teach you to play poker well. I don't think that even the hand analysis will blow a winning mid-limit player away, though it is solid. There are a couple of small details in that section that registered for me, and that I think will improve my game somewhat. But, the most helpful material is the "stuff that everybody knows," regarding playing your best game, managing your bankroll, and a code of conduct for a professional gambler.

Everybody knows this stuff, supposedly, yet almost nobody I know can execute it (including me, most of the time). It's very much like the Art of War in that way; everything you need is there, but you probably already "know" it.

It's kind of the "anti-Malmuth manifesto". I'm sure there are notions in there that Mason would laugh at, since he's written about a half dozen articles that criticize (and in some cases ridicule) some of the central ideas in that text. While Mason's writing has helped me a ton, as well, I know I've picked up a few things from him that have ultimately cost me a lot of dough. These things are not really his fault; I think Mason must approach the game with far less emotion than most players, and therefore assumes that others do and/or should as well. So, what's a small problem or no problem for him might be a huge stumbling block for me, and it's possible that a mantra or a stop-loss can save me from disaster where it would just be a joke for him.

Anyway, certain things in Barry's book are priceless, IMO, though you may have heard them before. The pep-talk he gives himself when he quits the game loser is one of the best, I think. The way that he channels his dislike for other players' bigotry, rudeness, etc. is something I've done as well, but I've had my doubts about whether negativity was a good motivator or not. Sometimes it just helps to have someone who is wildly successful echo something controversial which you have thought before.

And finally, the book is a breezy read, and the graphic design does a great job of reflecting the world of a high-stakes poker pro in a joyful manner. There are a lot of interesting subtle details in the photos he's chosen, and in the placement of each one. This is another example of how the book is deeper than it initially appears. But, it sure doesn't tell you how to play QQ out of position when an ace flops.

[MicroBob]

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I'm sure there are notions in there that Mason would laugh at

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he would??


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since he's written about a half dozen articles that criticize (and in some cases ridicule) some of the central ideas in that text.

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such as??



Seriously, I'm REALLY curious as to what exactly you are getting at here.


FWIW - you could read the other threads and quickly see that Mason absolutely RAVED about this book and rated it a 10 (I respectfully disagreed but that's a different topic entirely).