QJo : Fold or Push?

[rydazzle]

11s. I struggle with JT/QJ in this spot. help.

***** Hand History for Game 2463483015 *****
150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14468301) - Tue Aug 02 00:06:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 18333 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: DragonWolf2 (3120)
Seat 5: HERO (1770)
Seat 7: HONDACRF250X (2105)
Seat 8: mrtan1 (1005)
HERO posts small blind (75)
HONDACRF250X posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qs, Jh ]
mrtan1 raises (400) to 400
DragonWolf2 folds.
HERO???
<font color="red">What do you do?</font>

Here's what I did /images/graemlins/cool.gif

HERO raises (1695) to 1770
HERO is all-In.
HONDACRF250X folds.<font color="gray">
mrtan1: crap
mrtan1: ill give it a shot</font>
<font color="red">(almost got the FE!)</font>
mrtan1 calls (605)
mrtan1 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $2160 with mrtan1
Creating Side Pot 1 with $765 with HERO
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4c, 2d, 5s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2160 | Side Pot 1: 765
Board: [ 4c 2d 5s 8h 9c ]
DragonWolf2 balance 3120, didn't bet (folded)
HERO balance 765, bet 1770, collected 765, lost -1005 [ Qs Jh ] [ high card queen -- Qs,Jh,9c,8h,5s ]
HONDACRF250X balance 1955, lost 150 (folded)
mrtan1 balance 2160, bet 1005, collected 2160, net +1155 [ Ac 9h ] [ a pair of nines -- Ac,9h,9c,8h,5s ]

[Freudian]

You should fold this without even thinking about it. Once you do that regularly you will stop struggling with QJ in this spot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[rydazzle]

I agree...sometimes my push button gets really big.

[Hornacek]

The short stack is too pot committed to fold there. unless you're sure he would make that move with any two cards, you should fold and wait for a better hand to commit to. its just too likely that you two are sharing cards and you are getting 3:1 dominated.

[rydazzle]

I made the move knowing he'd call...I cant believe he almost laid it down. my push was to eliminate the stack to my left.

The question isn't whether this guy will call...its whether the QJ was good to isolate and go HU with raiser...I firmly believe now that I suck, and its not.

[ldavidjm]

What exactly do you think he's raising with? Any Ace/King is ahead, decent chance of being dominated, I doubt he's raising with any two (he'd push) and he's going to call 90% of the time. This is a pretty easy fold.

[gildwulf]

If you have first in vigorish this is a push, but you are playing QJo in a raised pot...drop this like a hot potato.

[rydazzle]

drop it like its hot? thx snoop /images/graemlins/wink.gif

yeah, we can stick a fork in this one...Im on board with the fold...