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dumb ox
08-02-2005, 02:55 AM
***** Hand History for Game 2464299670 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14472578) - Tue Aug 02 02:49:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 13887 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: helde84 (1640)
Seat 3: Talleroak (690)
Seat 6: elselselsels (1620)
Seat 7: rvg72 (1450)
Seat 8: Rontti (830)
Seat 10: themistius (1770)
Rontti posts small blind (150)
themistius posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to themistius [ Ad, Qh ]
helde84 folds.
Talleroak folds.
elselselsels folds.
rvg72 raises (1450) to 1450
rvg72 is all-In.
Rontti folds.
themistius folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1900 with rvg72
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1900
helde84 balance 1640, didn't bet (folded)
Talleroak balance 690, didn't bet (folded)
elselselsels balance 1620, didn't bet (folded)
rvg72 balance 1900, bet 1450, collected 1900, net +450
Rontti balance 680, lost 150 (folded)
themistius balance 1470, lost 300 (folded)

lastchance
08-02-2005, 03:02 AM
It might be a mistake, but I call here, very, very often. 1/2 the size of the blinds, and I probably fold.

dumb ox
08-02-2005, 03:17 AM
I usually have called in the past here. But after reading this forum, wouldn't this be one of those "Why risk all your chips on a coinflip" situation? Or do you not expect this to be a coinflip?

pokerlaw
08-02-2005, 03:21 AM
that fold just plain sucked

dumb ox
08-02-2005, 03:23 AM
why?

Ogre
08-02-2005, 03:31 AM
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that fold just plain sucked

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ilya
08-02-2005, 03:37 AM
You should call here I think.
Yes there are two short stacks but it's still 6-handed.
Yes you still have FE if you fold but you drop down from being 2nd in chips to being 4th, losing a big chunk of your stack.
Most importantly, your opponent's range is likely to be very wide here. He's on the button with only 5xBB!

dumb ox
08-02-2005, 03:40 AM
Calling seems to be the consensus, and the reasons you give make sense. Thanks.

diconoclastx
08-02-2005, 04:38 AM
good fold
you lose this, you are out basically of the tournament
at this point, you don't want to clash with another big stack with a hand like AQ
i would give up the little +ev here - assuming your opponent pushes AT+, KQ+, pp

skierdude1000
08-02-2005, 05:33 AM
dont fold it

tigerite
08-02-2005, 05:38 AM
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good fold
you lose this, you are out basically of the tournament
at this point, you don't want to clash with another big stack with a hand like AQ
i would give up the little +ev here - assuming your opponent pushes AT+, KQ+, pp

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The pusher has 5BB. His range is much wider than this. It's a definite call. If you fold AQo here from the BB please sit at my table.

Mr_J
08-02-2005, 05:47 AM
"Most importantly, your opponent's range is likely to be very wide here. He's on the button with only 5xBB!"

Definately. He'll be pushing any ace, good kings and probally any 2 broadway. Sometimes tighter, sometimes looser.

Add that to the fact it's only 1150 to call with 1900 already in the pot.

45suited
08-02-2005, 06:04 AM
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***** Hand History for Game 2464299670 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14472578) - Tue Aug 02 02:49:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 13887 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: helde84 (1640)
Seat 3: Talleroak (690)
Seat 6: elselselsels (1620)
Seat 7: rvg72 (1450)
Seat 8: Rontti (830)
Seat 10: themistius (1770)
Rontti posts small blind (150)
themistius posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to themistius [ Ad, Qh ]
helde84 folds.
Talleroak folds.
elselselsels folds.
rvg72 raises (1450) to 1450
rvg72 is all-In.
Rontti folds.
themistius folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1900 with rvg72

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I'm calling for all the reasons already given, add in the fact that the villain pushing here is a 2+2er and it makes an easy call that much easier. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Raiser
08-02-2005, 09:33 AM
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I usually have called in the past here. But after reading this forum, wouldn't this be one of those "Why risk all your chips on a coinflip" situation? Or do you not expect this to be a coinflip?

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This could be a coinflip, but I think that you are at least as likely (probably more likely) to find yourself a 3:1 favorite. I think this is a pretty easy call.