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mscags
08-01-2005, 10:07 PM
Yikes?!?! What to do? Fold the flop? I have decent outs to two pair, drawing thin to someone with a set, and drawing REALLY thin to someone with the straight. No real reads

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.70 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls $4 (All-In), Hero calls.

River: (19.10 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.10 BB
RunDownHouse
08-01-2005, 10:27 PM
Ugh, I can't find a fold anywhere.
josh1122
08-02-2005, 02:19 AM
I would 3bet the turn then calldown UI but I don't know if it's right.
Riskwise
08-02-2005, 02:30 AM
i say fold the flop.
some guy check 3 bets flop, and the original better has the guts to cap after that. you beat on flop and aren't getting enought value against a set/straight.
NLSoldier
08-02-2005, 02:35 AM
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i say fold the flop.
some guy check 3 bets flop, and the original better has the guts to cap after that. you beat on flop and aren't getting enought value against a set/straight.

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i say you have a vagina.
mungpo
08-02-2005, 03:57 AM
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i say fold the flop.
some guy check 3 bets flop, and the original better has the guts to cap after that. you beat on flop and aren't getting enought value against a set/straight.

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My eyes are bleeding.
SteveGriff
08-04-2005, 05:33 AM
Ok, question to you guys - when it comes back to the hero on the flop after it's been capped, you have to call 2SB into a ~22SB pot - giving you 11:1?

Is that correct? So I take it then you don't have the odds to see a turn for your Queen

Steve Griff
Michael Davis
08-04-2005, 05:40 AM
"i say fold the flop."

I don't see why you would ever fold any overpair (really, any) on a draw-heavy flop when you were the only person who raised preflop.

-Michael
08-04-2005, 05:48 AM
I agree with your idea of a turn raise. When the pot gets that big with others to act behind, you have to raise and not worry about saving bets. You're going to call anyway seeing as how you improved your hand. A call says he regrets being in the hand still, but you can't let that get in the way of a tactical move at the pot.

On the river, someone is all in anyway, so you'll see a showdown no matter what, and the sidepot is small. A raise would net little when you're a big dog or a small favorite.
JrJordan
08-04-2005, 05:53 PM
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I would 3bet the turn then calldown UI but I don't know if it's right.

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3-betting this turn is spewing, especially when a pumnped club draw or 89 are the two most likely hands. I call and pray to pair the board, calling one more bet along the way.