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jcchou
08-01-2005, 05:13 PM
How do I play my straight flush draw here?

Seat 1: bigslim2221 (1660) (Villain)
Seat 2: PureButter (410)
Seat 3: beeeduub (1745)
Seat 7: greenmile2 (590)
Seat 8: capt23 (635)
Seat 9: jcchou (2235) (Hero)
Seat 10: DuckmanDrake (725)
greenmile2 posts small blind (15)
capt23 posts big blind (30)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jcchou [ 8h, 9h ]
jcchou calls (30)
DuckmanDrake folds.
bigslim2221 raises (90) to 90
PureButter folds.
beeeduub folds.
greenmile2 folds.
capt23 folds.
jcchou calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, Th, Jh ]

How would you play this? Please include what you would do under various situations (i.e. would you bet? if so, what if you were raised? would you check and just call?)

Thanks in advance for any advice!

tigerite
08-01-2005, 05:15 PM
You fold this garbage preflop UTG.

skierdude1000
08-01-2005, 05:16 PM
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You fold this garbage preflop UTG.

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jcchou
08-01-2005, 05:26 PM
okay...so just assume i'm a dumbass and that i called with that hand when i should've folded pre-flop.

with that as a given, how should i handle it AFTER the flop?

thanks!

tigerite
08-01-2005, 05:28 PM
Check-raise, as this is about the best flop you could possibly hope for with 98s, but as you're out of position, it's going to be a nightmare to extract value from, and you're always going to be on a draw, and could get blown off on the turn whatever you do. Enjoy.

jcchou
08-01-2005, 06:00 PM
i had led out on the flop with a 1/3 bet. he raised 3x, i re-raised 3x, he went all-in and i called. He had QQ...50/50 at that point, but i didn't hit.

was it stupid to lead out the betting on the flop?

tigerite
08-01-2005, 06:01 PM
I would have let it go after the re-raise. Great, you're a 50/50 to win, so that means, 50% of the time, you're now out of the tournament at level 2. Hmm. Not very +EV is it? Personally, I'd have gone for check-raise, unless he bet a large amount (e.g. the pot) then I'd probably have let it go.

45suited
08-01-2005, 06:04 PM
Given the fact that your opponent showed strength pre-flop and again on the flop, I try to keep this pot as small as possible until I have something more than 9 high.

The reason being that he is one of only two stacks at the table who can severely hurt you. At this point in the tournament I don't want to get into a pissing contest with him while still on a draw. I try to play this hand cheaply.

SammyKid11
08-01-2005, 06:38 PM
Fold PF.

On the flop, I'd bet it and be prepared to go all-in.

Paul2432
08-01-2005, 06:46 PM
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I would have let it go after the re-raise. Great, you're a 50/50 to win, so that means, 50% of the time, you're now out of the tournament at level 2. Hmm. Not very +EV is it? Personally, I'd have gone for check-raise, unless he bet a large amount (e.g. the pot) then I'd probably have let it go.

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Folding to the all-in is a bad idea. The pot is too big at this point.

Paul

jcchou
08-01-2005, 06:50 PM
i guess the good news is that even though i lost that hand, i recovered and finished 3rd.

most of the advice i've received has been to keep the pot small...oops!

Freudian
08-01-2005, 07:12 PM
Fold preflop. With this action call the all-in.

I think a lot of people get carried away with hands like this in general. They automatically assume it is at least a 50/50 hand which is a huge mistake. When you get heavy resistance on a flop like this you have to assume some of your outs are tainted. If you are up against A/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif you have a 28% chance of winning this hand. If you are up against Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif you have 41% chance to win.

It is a great draw of course and there is often nothing wrong with getting all the money in on the flop, but these hands are mostly playable when you can see flops cheap so pushing on the flop doesn't gain many chips and they are way too expensive to play later on when taking it down on the flop would be worth something.

hansdebelge
08-01-2005, 10:34 PM
dude you have so many out. 9 hearts, 3 queens and 3 7s (not including Qh and 7h). 15 outs is good assuming you ignore poor preflop play.