OPSD OOP

[Maulik]

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Grinding_It (1000)
Seat 2: dbeav (735)
Seat 3: jonathanlo79 (625)
Seat 4: Hero(785)
Seat 5: dave542 (550)
Seat 6: moneymark111 (890)
Seat 7: xMidwayx (570)
Seat 8: jtollison77 (575)
Seat 9: spicer9 (1210)
Seat 10: mrfoley1738 (1060)
Hero posts small blind (15)
dave542 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ Ts, 8s ]
moneymark111 folds.
xMidwayx calls (30)
jtollison77 folds.
spicer9 folds.
mrfoley1738 folds.
Grinding_It calls (30)
dbeav calls (30)
jonathanlo79 folds.
Herocalls (15)
dave542 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 9h, Jc ]
Herochecks.
dave542 bets (55)
xMidwayx folds.
Grinding_It raises (110) to 110
dbeav folds.
Herofolds.

on the flop t315 when its time for me to act. I can assume someone either has a J or a 9, so I guess I know the answer to this, pushing is terrible. The thought was crossing my mind.

it is possible neither player has anything and this will work? Does anyone take this line on a less cordinated flop, oop?

[pooh74]

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Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Grinding_It (1000)
Seat 2: dbeav (735)
Seat 3: jonathanlo79 (625)
Seat 4: Hero(785)
Seat 5: dave542 (550)
Seat 6: moneymark111 (890)
Seat 7: xMidwayx (570)
Seat 8: jtollison77 (575)
Seat 9: spicer9 (1210)
Seat 10: mrfoley1738 (1060)
Hero posts small blind (15)
dave542 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[ Ts, 8s ]
moneymark111 folds.
xMidwayx calls (30)
jtollison77 folds.
spicer9 folds.
mrfoley1738 folds.
Grinding_It calls (30)
dbeav calls (30)
jonathanlo79 folds.
Herocalls (15)
dave542 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 9h, Jc ]
Herochecks.
dave542 bets (55)
xMidwayx folds.
Grinding_It raises (110) to 110
dbeav folds.
Herofolds.

on the flop t315 when its time for me to act. I can assume someone either has a J or a 9, so I guess I know the answer to this, pushing is terrible. The thought was crossing my mind.

it is possible neither player has anything and this will work? Does anyone take this line on a less cordinated flop, oop?

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It is slightly possible they have nothing as well, but at the very least, one or both of them have better draws than you. If you can put both on a draw, AND peg them as players that will back off, then pushing is great...I am being sarcastic of course because there's no way you could/should be able to figure that out to any meaningful %.

Easy fold, for all reasons you know I'm sure.

Remember as well, you think you have 8 outs but if the flush draw calls you=6 outs....or TQ, maybe of Hs...3 outs...etc...

[tigerite]

It's a fold but - what flush draw !?

[pooh74]

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It's a fold but - what flush draw !?

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Hey, Im living proof that a reading disability does not hinder one from being good at poker...

d doesnt equal heart? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

in any regard, scrap my post, but I'd still fold in a heartbeat.

[Maulik]

Since we know this is a fold, can someone show me an example of where on flops an OPSD and can go all-in against 2 other players?

[pooh74]

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Since we know this is a fold, can someone show me an example of where on flops an OPSD and can go all-in against 2 other players?

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For one, I like it more when you have something like:

Board: 5h 9d Ts

You hold: Jd Qd

Mainly this is better because of the other out possibilites. Maybe someone bet out, was raised by something like AT or the kind...(this is you're thinking anyways)...I like this better because you have other POSSIBLE outs...of course, maybe youre up against a set and you really have only 8 outs which is discounted by villain filling up. But at least you're in a situation where you POTENTIALLY have 15 outs and a backdoor flush. So IOW, you could win a decent sized pot with your push (if they fold), and if called, you might even be even money to win...I like to know that if I'm called, I am close to even at least...throw in some FE with my all-in raise and that makes this move +EV.

In your hand, you're no way close to even money if called...in fact, your FE is pretty much what you are banking on.

[pooh74]

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Since we know this is a fold, can someone show me an example of where on flops an OPSD and can go all-in against 2 other players?

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I just wanted to add as well that this is early on and you have/had a decent stack to work with and could obviously wait for better spots...I would like your move more near the bubble and you're in BB and this action ensued.