A mentally handicapped person could...

[freemoney]

have an ROI greater than 10% at the 109s.

[bjb23]

poty and its not even close.

[Slim Pickens]

Some people with mental handicaps have uncanny abilities. I don't doubt one of those could be playing online poker.

[HonestIago15]

So yo mama is playing again then?


w0rd.

[splashpot]

Maybe there is a guy out there like the one in "Rainman". Instantly calculate ICM every hand.

[Ogre]

I think its because of the handys that 10%+ roi is so easily achieveable

[freemoney]

id be almost willing to bet that i could take a person who has never played and within 2 months be an easily winning player at the 109s.

[curtains]

freemoney, trust me its not that easy. Even though it seems easy to you and maybe some others, its much much harder than you think and also much harder to teach a random person to do. I have thought the same thing as you in the past, but it's just not true.

[freemoney]

i dont mean to come across arrogant or belittle people who havent yet accomplished this, its just that it really amazes me how bad the play is.

[curtains]

It's okay, you are only belittling yourself. Instead of looking at it as though you have a natural gift or talent for poker, you instead look at it as though everyone who can't do what you do is a stupid idiot and that it's very easy. Think of yourself as a genius, it's a better and happier outlook.

[Ogre]

I'm pretty sure i could teach my 11 yo brother to beat the 100s if i had 2 months. This would make a great "Made" episode

Lets just face it... poker is like sex,

alot of people think they are great at it... but in reality, most people really suck :P

[gildwulf]

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Maybe there is a guy out there like the one in "Rainman". Instantly calculate ICM every hand.

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That call is definitely +EV. Definitely +EV. I'm an excellent pusher.

[Irieguy]

This post is a brilliant demonstration of ignorance. On so many different levels, too.

Irieguy

[psyduck]

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This post is a brilliant demonstration of ignorance. On so many different levels, too.

Irieguy

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[psyduck]

er except for the "Irieguy" part

[Jman28]

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This post is a brilliant demonstration of ignorance. On so many different levels, too.

Irieguy

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Thank you for being you.

[Jimbobobb]

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That call is definitely +EV. Definitely +EV. I'm an excellent pusher.

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I love this post simply because it gave me this response to laught at. gildwulf, you win sir.

[MegaBet]

OK, who wants to mention variance to this guy...






...on second thoughts, let him find out for himself /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bearly]

irie is both a dr. and correct on this. i am mentally handicapped---100% disabled. i would very much like to have several of these posters who are confident of their ability to teach a person, w/ a mental disability, to beat the fish----help me. irie? several other winning players? i could really use the help of people who find the games (up to 109's) easy to beat, help me to show a +10% roi on the 22's. pm me please. i will be very candid on the nature of my handicaps, and will follow any program that one of the posters who is serious lays out. i would really like to have a set of guidelines from several of you winning players who feel you are up to the job------in my case, constant repetition and reenforcement are very important. i will continue this thread w/ follow-up's just to see how it shakes out......................h

[xLukex]

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Lets just face it... poker is like sex,

alot of people think they are great at it... but in reality, most people really suck :P

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I'd rather be able to beat the $109s than be able to get my girlfriend off 4 times...

...not joking.

[tigerite]

Poker is more like sex because:

You raise and then move all-in with the nuts, after a call.
Pushing is also okay as long as you've played some hands.
You don't want to see a flop, and want to be careful of calls from other players, especially if you've been going all-in a lot lately.
Only one of you will be happy when the river comes.

[Unoriginalname]

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Lets just face it... poker is like sex,

alot of people think they are great at it... but in reality, most people really suck :P

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I'd rather be able to beat the $109s than be able to get my girlfriend off 4 times...

...not joking.

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hahaha, nh

[gildwulf]

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Lets just face it... poker is like sex,

alot of people think they are great at it... but in reality, most people really suck :P

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I'd rather be able to beat the $109s than be able to get my girlfriend off 4 times...

...not joking.

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hahaha, nh

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good luck beating off to pictures of Jennifer Harman

[Freudian]

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have an ROI greater than 10% at the 109s.

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Against people with this belief I am sure 20% is sustainable.

[xLukex]

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Lets just face it... poker is like sex,

alot of people think they are great at it... but in reality, most people really suck :P

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I'd rather be able to beat the $109s than be able to get my girlfriend off 4 times...

...not joking.

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hahaha, nh

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good luck beating off to screenshots of your SNG tracker once you start owning the $109s

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FYP.

[bearly]

hi, i have yet to hear from anyone. are any of you who are confident you can teach a mentally handicapped person to beat the 109's willing to see if you can really do it? w/ the 22's. if you think i am a troll-----don't. i can send any info you might want to verify (from social security, or social services) to irieguy, who is a dr. and bound by confidentiality. i will be doing follow-ups. i am interested in where this takes me/us. h

[45suited]

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hi, i have yet to hear from anyone. are any of you who are confident you can teach a mentally handicapped person to beat the 109's willing to see if you can really do it? w/ the 22's. if you think i am a troll-----don't. i can send any info you might want to verify (from social security, or social services) to irieguy, who is a dr. and bound by confidentiality. i will be doing follow-ups. i am interested in where this takes me/us.

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My guess is that the OP has not responded because he knows that he was talking out of his A$$ when he made his original claim.

[Irieguy]

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hi, i have yet to hear from anyone. are any of you who are confident you can teach a mentally handicapped person to beat the 109's willing to see if you can really do it? w/ the 22's. if you think i am a troll-----don't. i can send any info you might want to verify (from social security, or social services) to irieguy, who is a dr. and bound by confidentiality. i will be doing follow-ups. i am interested in where this takes me/us. h

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Bearly,

Poker is a complicated game, and it is not possible to beat the rake by simply playing from a list of instructions.

A few independent groups are working on AI programs that can play winning poker, and soon there will be a bot that can beat something. But even that program would be a tremendously sophisticated computer, using alogorithms that a human would not be able to implement in real time.

Saabpo did not beat the rake.

You may or may not be able to beat the $22's. Having a mentor would be helpful. But nobody will be able to give you a guide, that in and of itself will make you a winner.

I wish you luck and success... but this ridiculous thread is not likely to be a springboard to loot and booty for you.

Irieguy

[johnnybeef]

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This post is a brilliant demonstration of ignorance. On so many different levels, too.

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[45suited]

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Bearly,

Poker is a complicated game, and it is not possible to beat the rake by simply playing from a list of instructions.

A few independent groups are working on AI programs that can play winning poker, and soon there will be a bot that can beat something. But even that program would be a tremendously sophisticated computer, using alogorithms that a human would not be able to implement in real time.

Saabpo did not beat the rake.

You may or may not be able to beat the $22's. Having a mentor would be helpful. But nobody will be able to give you a guide, that in and of itself will make you a winner.

I wish you luck and success... but this ridiculous thread is not likely to be a springboard to loot and booty for you.

Irieguy

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It's so nice to have a good player who acts as a sanity check on the forum. I nominate Irie for Vice Moderator. He can take over in times of emergency if Citanul is unconscious or incapacitated. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[microbet]

I can think of two friends of mine who are extremely smart (one PhD in Econ from Berkeley - was taking graduate classes in Math at 19 - one computer programmer wrote video games for lucas arts) who absolutely can not play a lick of poker.

[lacky]

this is cut and pasted from an earlier post, but it is the best advice i can give.

Steve

ok, honest advice here. Get her a copy of low limit holdem by lee jones or getting started in holdem by ed miller. miller is probably best but i havent read it. start her out at .02/.04 at stars. there is no rake, no pressure and if she cant beat it, she cant beat anything else either.

have her work on playing the correct hands in the correct position preflop, then work on playing the flop etc, as she works through the book. whithen a month if she's gonna get it she'll be doing well at these games and asking intellegent questions about certain situations. If she says things like i dont play 89s because i never get the flush, i changed tables couse i was unlucky there, i dont like to raise with AK couse usually i dont get anything, etc, give up. i'm really not joking either.

If all is going well, she can move up to .05/.10 limit (still no rake), then progress her way to .5/1 on party. playing well you can ave about 3 to 4 bb/100 hands at .5/1, playing a little over 200 hands an hour on 4 tables. so, with rake back about $8 to $11 an hour, 2x if she can 8 table, with very little varience.

If she makes it this far (and you should realize it's a big if) she can easily learn nl ring or stt's to branch out, or progress in limit.

the reason to focus on limit first is everything she needs is easily availible in good books, so other than some help spotting her leaks and answering questions she can easily teach herself if she is motivated.

Hope that helps. The reason I have tried to teach people before is to give them an easier life. I understand where your coming from and I hope it works out, it just doesnt usually.

[ewing55]

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...in times of emergency if Citanul is unconscious or incapacitated. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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How can you tell?

-----------Jeff

[bearly]

hi, does a person who claims that"...it's because of the handys that 10% roi+ is so easily achieveable..." sound like a person w/ the brain power to actually perform this feat? if so, bigotry is not confined to the ignorant.

[Maulik]

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Poker is more like sex because:

You raise and then move all-in with the nuts, after a call.
Pushing is also okay as long as you've played some hands.
You don't want to see a flop, and want to be careful of calls from other players, especially if you've been going all-in a lot lately.
Only one of you will be happy when the river comes.

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nh, you win =\

[skipperbob]

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if Citanul is unconscious or incapacitated.

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That's as good as Citanul gets = unconscious or incapacitated /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[morgan180]

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This post is a brilliant demonstration of ignorance. On so many different levels, too.


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Maybe there is a guy out there like the one in "Rainman". Instantly calculate ICM every hand.

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That call is definitely +EV. Definitely +EV. I'm an excellent pusher.

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LOL! Great movie. He would probably also be able to remember the outcome of every hand he ever played too, but his bankroll management would suck since he had no concept of money.

[freemoney]

i dont think theres any ignorance involved in my statement, i guarantee if i went to harvard or another school where there were a bunch of real bright kids took 25 kids and taught them for 2 months that they would be easily beating the 109s.

[skipperbob]

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i dont think theres any ignorance involved in my statement, i guarantee if i went to harvard or another school where there were a bunch of real bright kids took 25 kids and taught them for 2 months that they would be easily beating the 109s.

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Soooooo...What you're saying is that given 2 months with you at the helm, you could turn 25 Harvard u.g.'s into just as good $109 SnG players as your "OP" mentally-ill subject /images/graemlins/crazy.gif /images/graemlins/crazy.gif /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Unoriginalname]

This thread is useless without someone offering up a prop bet.

[IvyGrizzly]

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This thread is useless without someone offering up a prop bet.

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He can teach me, but I'm not mentally handicapped so it's not entirely accurate.

[brimstone1]

I knew this thread was full of sh.t the second I saw the title, but what pisses me off so much about it is that most serious poker-related threads, be it hands, push situations, don't get half the attention a crappy thread like this gets.

[gildwulf]

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i dont think theres any ignorance involved in my statement, i guarantee if i went to harvard or another school where there were a bunch of real bright kids took 25 kids and taught them for 2 months that they would be easily beating the 109s.

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So what you are really saying is a socially handicapped person could beat the 109s...

[pearljam]

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I knew this thread was full of sh.t the second I saw the title, but what pisses me off so much about it is that most serious poker-related threads, be it hands, push situations, don't get half the attention a crappy thread like this gets.

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DITTO

[viennagreen]

push situations, along with a lot of "end-game" hands, have been covered to death on these boards and don't deserve any more attention--- in my opinion.

i think that the "attitude" of a SNG player is perhaps the part that most people here need work on.

[freemoney]

i made a stupid post at 3 in the morning, everyones gotta chill out.

[nate_king1]

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i dont think theres any ignorance involved in my statement, i guarantee if i went to harvard or another school where there were a bunch of real bright kids took 25 kids and taught them for 2 months that they would be easily beating the 109s.

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freemoney.... I will take you up on this offer if you agree to.

[Nottom]

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id be almost willing to bet that i could take a person who has never played and within 2 months be an easily winning player at the 109s.

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I volunteer

[gumpzilla]

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id be almost willing to bet that i could take a person who has never played and within 2 months be an easily winning player at the 109s.

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I volunteer

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Um, you've never played an SNG?

[Nottom]

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id be almost willing to bet that i could take a person who has never played and within 2 months be an easily winning player at the 109s.

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I volunteer

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Um, you've never played an SNG?

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I promise to forget everything.