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1337 skills

07-31-2005, 05:07 AM

Both of these hands were the first ones I played at each table.

In this hand I had already read BB to be very loose and passive.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
5 folds, Hero (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

No reads for this hand.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button folds, BB folds.

River: (11.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets .80 and is all in, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.55 BB

thesharpie

07-31-2005, 05:09 AM

Raise preflop in hand 1. Bet the turn. Raise the flop in hand 2.

Boolean

07-31-2005, 05:13 AM

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Raise preflop in hand 1.

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I'm confused, why?

silkyslim

07-31-2005, 05:19 AM

Bet turn in hand 1, the 5 doesnt change anybody's hand. You need to raise the flop in hand 2. Why on earth did you just call?

silkyslim

07-31-2005, 05:21 AM

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Raise preflop in hand 1.

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I'm confused, why?

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To blind steal, it was folded around to you in the CO, and you have an ace.

thesharpie

07-31-2005, 05:26 AM

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Raise preflop in hand 1.

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I'm confused, why?

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Alot of 2+2ers raise any 2 here. We have a good chance of picking up the blinds, and if not sometimes a flop bet will take the pot heads up. Having an ace in your hand makes it even better.

Obviously if you know the people behind you are loose you shouldn't do this, but it's usually +EV against unknowns, especially at slightly higher limits.

ubercuber

07-31-2005, 05:29 AM

And even if the blinds don't fold, the button probably will (or at least probably should), improving your position.

1337 skills

07-31-2005, 05:37 AM

This hand just came up and is similar to hand 1, same BB too.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

shant

07-31-2005, 05:44 AM

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Alot of 2+2ers raise any 2 here.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $10.
5 folds, Hero (poster) raises

thesharpie

07-31-2005, 06:11 AM

At what limit do they catch on?

shant

07-31-2005, 06:13 AM

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At what limit do they catch on?

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I think it's a better play than checking at any limit.

Aaron W.

07-31-2005, 11:16 AM

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At what limit do they catch on?

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I think it's a better play than checking at any limit.

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This is "basically" true. There was a post a couple months back in mid-high stakes where they dicussed checking ATo in this spot. I can't find the link, but it was really interesting.

The idea there was that villains would be folding their junk or calling with hands which run close in value to hero's hand. So by raising, hero puts himself in a spot where either picks up the blinds or he has to play postflop poker against hands which are about as good as his. By just checking, he can play postflop poker against substantially worse hands and possibly win substantially more as a result.

But players at those levels are smarter and more aggressive. I raise any two here. I want to find out quickly what sorts of things the blinds are willing to defend, and hopefully I can use this information to my advantage as the session goes on (plus, if I show down 94o, I get instant action).

POKhER

07-31-2005, 11:25 AM

Hand 1 looks ok, Passive guy will call you down anyhow most likly with an ACE and your kicker SUCKS.

Hand 2 -
Raise the flop, Bet the turn, bet/call the river.

POKhER

Guthrie

07-31-2005, 11:29 AM

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At what limit do they catch on?

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I think it's a better play than checking at any limit.

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I had been ignoring blind stealing at .25/.50 and concentrating on other things. After a few thousand hands where all my other stats looked pretty good, I started getting very aggressive stealing from the button and CO, especially after posting. It seems to be working fairly well even at this limit. Apparently low-limit fish like lots of players and will stick around if a few people limp, but will fold to a late raise with no previous callers. If the PF raise doesn't do it, betting or raising the flop often will.

Dave G.

07-31-2005, 12:53 PM

I raise any 2 preflop in hand 1 as well. Usually you get the blinds right there. If not, the flop will normally go BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds. This will happen the majority of the time, so it's a profitable play. If you get played back at and you have garbage, you can fold, no biggie.