J10o on the button, push here everytime?

[Maulik]

being certain is always nice

100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14401833) - Sat Jul 30 20:42:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 35307 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Hager_3 (795)
Seat 3: chilko (1285)
Seat 4: cardinals67 (2925)
Seat 5: Hero (825)
Seat 6: raiderman76 (1010)
Seat 7: ninball009 (795)
Seat 10: jimwhit (365)
raiderman76 posts small blind (50)
ninball009 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ts, Jc ]
jimwhit folds.
Hager_3 folds.
chilko folds.
cardinals67 folds.
Hero raises (825) to 825
Hero is all-In.
raiderman76 folds.
ninball009 calls (695)
ninball009 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $1640 with ninball009
Creating Side Pot 1 with $30 with Hero
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, 5c, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1640 | Side Pot 1: 30
Board: [ 7c 5c 8d 7s 7d ]
Hager_3 balance 795, didn't bet (folded)
chilko balance 1285, didn't bet (folded)
cardinals67 balance 2925, didn't bet (folded)
Hero balance 1670, bet 825, collected 1670, net +845 [ Ts Jc ] [ three of a kind, sevens with ten kicker -- Jc,Ts,7c,7s,7d ]
raiderman76 balance 960, lost 50 (folded)
ninball009 balance 0, lost 795 [ Jd 9d ] [ three of a kind, sevens -- Jd,9d,7c,7s,7d ]
jimwhit balance 365, didn't bet (folded)

[TWINUNO]

I would usually go for a fold here, j10 isnt that impressive, even on a tight table. I maybe wrong though.....

[Newt_Buggs]

it depends on the table, but I'de assume that its usually +EV

[pearljam]

this is a pretty standard fold at the lower levels assuming no reads. at least for me.

[The Yugoslavian]

If your opponents are calling with middling aces and some suited broadways and almost all pps then pushing it isn't so hot with a bit more than 8xBB on the button.

Frankly, I think a fold is best. If pushing JTo here was good then you can really push almost anything most likely b/c your opponents are being quite tight.

Yugoslav

[valenzuela]

I must be missing something..hero has 4x the BB..this is a must push for me /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[lastchance]

[ QUOTE ]
I must be missing something..hero has 4x the BB..this is a must push for me /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
50/100 blinds. Hero has 8x BB.

[The Don]

I'd fold.

[Ogre]

fold

[ZBTHorton]

[ QUOTE ]
fold

[/ QUOTE ]

[Uppercut]

What's the thought process of the donk who figured it was a good idea to call this all-in bet for all his chips with his monster hand of J9s? Or am I giving him too much credit for having a thought process? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[valenzuela]

why does it say 100/200 on the top? anyway I think it a fold without reads.

[octaveshift]

Have I crossed into the Twilight Zone?

This is a clear push, IMO.

[valenzuela]

well everyone convinced me it was a good fold so I just believe them. Do u think its a push??

[octaveshift]

[ QUOTE ]
well everyone convinced me it was a good fold so I just believe them. Do u think its a push??

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I just said so above. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

If we assume the villains are reasonable, it's a push with almost any 2. (I'd be leery of the really stenchy hands though.)

Since this is a 10, I think one should tighten up the push range quite a bit, and I think that TJ is plenty good here.

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
Have I crossed into the Twilight Zone?

This is a clear push, IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]

[psyduck]

fodl

[psyduck]

WTF everyone is saying push now?

you have 8 BB on the button. at lower limits this should be a fold

[Maulik]

I'm very surprised to hear this being a fold from most of you. At what point does this become a push? 6bb, 7bb? And at that point does it become push any two on the butotn

[good2cu]

Someone plug this into sit-n-go power tools? I was thinking this was a push and not even close, but getting a lot of people saying fold.

[outofstep]

Whats wrong with everyone? Am I'm missing something here? You have 4x BB, need the blinds, and are pushing into two similar size stacks. This seems like a very clear push. Yeah its 10+1 but at the bubble even donks tend to tighten up, unless he is a complete retard.

i vote for push

[microbet]

It's confusing the way the HHs are written, sometimes.

The blinds are 50 and 100. You can see that where they actually put the blinds in the pot.

It is a stupid carryover from limit where 100/200 are the betting limits, when the blinds are 50 and 100.

To the OP, I think it is a good post because the answer is "it depends." The depending part being on how tight you read the villians to be. This villian certainly turned out to be loose.

[Jay36489]

I plugged it into SNGPT. If your opponents have a reasonable calling range this is a push.

66+,ATs+,AJo+ +1.0%
44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+ +0.6%

If they have a range that includes J9s, this is a fold.

22+,A2+,K4o+,K2s+,Q9o+,Q8s+,JTo,J9s+ -0.9%

Everyone is arguing about what the "right" answer is. It depends on what calling range you put your opponents on. Obviously if they called with J9s they had a much bigger range then was proper for a push.

[curtains]

If you are playing w opponents that will call with J9s, then of course its -EV to push. However with something like 600-700 chips you really have no choice.