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econ_tim

07-30-2005, 07:26 PM

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Preflop: econ_tim is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
5 folds, CO calls, Button calls, econ_tim completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
econ_tim bets, BB calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
econ_tim bets, BB calls, Button raises, econ_tim calls, BB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
econ_tim checks, BB checks, Button bets, econ_tim calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Pot isn't very big on turn, but I think my hand is too strong to fold.

What is your plan?

POKhER

07-30-2005, 07:30 PM

No reads?

Looks ok, Some may want you to "3bet the turn" to see how much he likes his hand.

He either flopped a set, Just hit a set, and unlikly straight.

WA/WB line maybe?
Anyhow i play it the same - Nice hand.

Buckmulligan

07-30-2005, 07:31 PM

Standard

Fantam

07-30-2005, 07:59 PM

Turn raises usually mean more than flop raises.

I am not sure that your hand is too good to fold. You have top pair best kicker, but what is button raising with ?

Probably the straight or at least a slow played set. Even if you improve after calling on the turn, I think there is a good chance that you still wont win this hand.

Button raised the turn with BB still in the hand, so I think he most likely has the goods.

The pot wasnt that big considering that there was a good chance that BB would also bet the river. I think a fold was good here.

toss

07-30-2005, 08:20 PM

Too often they'll raise with junk on the turn so taht you have to call down. You can fold when you have a read on the villain that tells you he only raises with the goods.

StellarWind

07-31-2005, 02:16 AM

Folding is completely out of the question.

Against some players I would 3-bet the turn because the pot is 3-handed. You have a strong incentive to push BB out of this pot as he clearly has outs against you. If they both call the 3-bet you only need to win 1/3 of the time to break even on your raise because they put in two bets to match your one.

If I considered Button to be serious I would just call him down. Remember that if he has two little pair like 76 or 64 you have eight outs to beat him.

hemstock

07-31-2005, 02:19 AM

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AngelicPenguin

07-31-2005, 02:20 AM

I'd play it the same. I need more than a raise to fold TPTK usually.

JoshuaD

07-31-2005, 03:21 AM

Postflop is fine, but consider raising preflop if the reads are right. If the BB is a tight player and/or the limpers are weak I'll often raise here to get it me vs the weakies.

ArturiusX

07-31-2005, 04:19 AM

I like.