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[joker122]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

[EvanJC]

other than the preflop call i think you played it fine w/out reads

[kapw7]

Why do you raise the turn after a bettor and a caller?
And after the river is checked to you why don't you bet then?

[EvanJC]

raised the turn b/c he was ahead and checked the river b/c he couldn't fold to a raise - just guessing

[alekhine8]

Just curious -

Obviously you're raising a K/J/8 on the turn, unless its a third club and UTG beats you to it.
And I assume you're folding to an A/Q if anyone continues to show strength.
What about everything else?

[Jeff W]

I like it all except I bet the river. BB rates to have a worse jack and the other guy is likely to have a draw, though sometimes he'll have a better jack or a weaker made hand.

[felson]

Preflop is loose, but the rest is fine.

[Lurker4]

I like PF, flop and turn...I assume you're folding to a turn 3-bet? I like taking the free showdown here on the river, although its pretty close. I think when called by BB on the river here you are behind a majority of the time, but when BB calls w/ a worse hand or folds, UTG might call w/a weaker J, a 9, or a pocket pair.

[TT_fold]

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I like it all except I bet the river. BB rates to have a worse jack and the other guy is likely to have a draw, though sometimes he'll have a better jack or a weaker made hand.

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Ummm... what???

BB raised preflop and you're putting him on a worse jack? Not to mention that Hero's 8 kicker doesn't even play on this board, so if the BB does hold the improbable J2-J7 you're chopping with him anyway.

Now, if you meant to say that he has a worse hand than a jack (such as TT) that he will call a river bet with, then yes, your argument is reasonable.

Personally, I like the way this hand was played.

[Jeff W]

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BB raised preflop and you're putting him on a worse jack?

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NM, I misread the pre flop action. Well played.

[oreogod]

Eh, I bet the river (dont know if thats kosher or not, but eh). Besides that nice hand.

[marsvolta619]

Does anyone consider raising this from the button preflop?

[StellarWind]

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Does anyone consider raising this from the button preflop?

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I think that has no technical merit in terms of cards. It would purely be an exercise in exploiting opponents who fold much too much. Without reads on anyone I don't see how you can go there.

I'm OK with the preflop call against one loose limper and blinds who don't raise a huge amount--typical 5/10 opponents.

The turn decision is difficult without reads and there is a case for all three actions:

1. Fold: This is a bad turn card because it destroyed your outs. BB has gone beyond the point where many players will keep pushing a low pocket or unimproved high cards on this scary board. Plus it always looked like a good board for him compared to your weak jack. If both opponents are decent players then your pot equity does not warrant paying two more for a showdown. Each opponent is individually favored to be ahead and when you are ahead they have a ton of outs. Meanwhile you probably have very few outs.

2. Call: The free showdown play looks good because a 3-bet probably means you are drawing dead, but if the river is bad (e.g. A /images/graemlins/club.gif) you could probably save by calling and folding the river. Also if you call it will be two bets to you on the river a significant amount and that's another chance to save a bet. Finally there is always some risk in raising with no reads. For instance a stop-n-go river bet would be awkward because you won't know what it means.

3. Raise: Has potential to collect extra bets from draws and possibly force out a hand like Ax ahead of the river.

Betting the river was always questionable as I think you are behind too much. Losing your kicker on the river is absolutely the last straw and should end all thoughts of betting.

[joker122]

you said it best: i can raise the turn because folding to a 3bet is easy.

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Betting the river was always questionable as I think you are behind too much. Losing your kicker on the river is absolutely the last straw and should end all thoughts of betting.

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yeah, i didn't even think the river was debatable but many people like a bet here. i still don't.


pfr had AQ, other guy had QT and his hand was good.

[imported_Robert Andersson]

This is standard! Well played.