AK ITM vs action

[11t]

Sorry, I am having troubles with the converter.

Both players were playing pretty tight, so I figured I was up against at least a pair/my outs tied up.

Seat 1: Villun (2830)
Seat 6: KiwiMel (2290)
Seat 8: redrobincl (2880)
redrobincl posts small blind (200)
Villun posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Villun [ Ah, Kd ]
KiwiMel raises (2290) to 2290
KiwiMel is all-In.
redrobincl raises (2680) to 2880
redrobincl is all-In.
Villun...

[TStokes]

Maybe I am playing to tight here but I think that I would lay this down. I think that if you lay this down you are assuring yourself second with a decent shot heads up.

[TStokes]

Thinking more about this hand I am not sure if folding is right here. I would not mind hearing what some others have to say.

[psyduck]

I call here. Thing is that if both you and Kiwi lose to Red, you still get 2nd.

Play for first, settle for 3rd (which is unlikely in this case)

[valenzuela]

I didnt even read ure post, all I saw is ITM and 400 big blinds, my chips are in the middle no matter what, no matter what.

[brimstone1]

With AK, this is a certain/immediate fold for me.
Actually, I think (and I'm probably wrong), but if we're playing for first, take only AA here.

I would need an amazing read, to the level of literally knowing what cards they held here... even then (cards face-up) I'd probably not take a three-way AK ITM.

Let me know harshly if I'm completely off-track/mistaken.

[valenzuela]

wtf??ure wrong. if u fold KK here ure a big idiot.

[kasey2004]

i get in this hand and take a shot at it all.

/images/graemlins/spade.gif Kasey /images/graemlins/spade.gif

I put it in. I think the chances you are up against two smaller pairs, like jacks and nines or something exceeds the chance that you are dominated. Plus theres always the miracle that they both have AQ (this just happened to me 2 hours ago, my AK vs 2 people w/ AQs with four people left)

[rusty090]

My first instinct would be call as whenever I see AK, I become like a bull in a china shop (which is a complete leak, one I'm trying to fix right now). Staring at this hand for about ten minutes, with all of the numbers and figures easily accessible, I fold. Losing here you are either out of it or in a really terrible position for the next hand. Winning it, which might not happen often if you really feel like both players have one or more of your cards, would put you in a good position for first. If you fold though, I think you're guaranteed 2nd. It's gambling for 1st or playing it safe for second.

I think in the heat of the moment, I'd call and be happy with 3rd if I lost the coin flip.

[TheSalche]

could be bad news bears here ... my guess is that one has a pocket pair and the other has AQ/AJ/KQ ... in any case one of your 6 outs to win is most likely gone ... but it may be reasonable to call because whoever wins this pot is going to have a big chiplead over you when it gets to heads up

sure call ... pray one of them doesnt have AA

[11t]

I typically don't post results (since in many ways they do not matter) and I was planning on posting this hand before I saw what these guys had, but I think this was a good fold

However I still do not know if it is right or not and would appreciate a definitive reason why calling here gives you a better shot at first than folding does

***** Hand History for Game 2445218765 *****
400/800 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14369570) - Fri Jul 29 20:15:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 35131 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: Villun (2830)
Seat 6: KiwiMel (2290)
Seat 8: redrobincl (2880)
redrobincl posts small blind (200)
Villun posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Villun [ Ah, Kd ]
KiwiMel raises (2290) to 2290
KiwiMel is all-In.
redrobincl raises (2680) to 2880
redrobincl is all-In.
Villun folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4980 with KiwiMel
Creating Side Pot 1 with $590 with redrobincl
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, Qc, 7d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4980 | Side Pot 1: 590
Board: [ 2d Qc 7d 8s 8d ]
Villun balance 2430, lost 400 (folded)
KiwiMel balance 4980, bet 2290, collected 4980, net +2690 [ As Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and eights -- As,Ac,Qc,8s,8d ]
redrobincl balance 590, bet 2880, collected 590, lost -2290 [ Ad Kc ] [ a pair of eights -- Ad,Kc,Qc,8s,8d ]

[psyduck]

Would it have been too unimaginable for the first to have 99 and the second TT? Or AJ and AQ. There are more combinations of 99+ through QQ than KK and AA.

I think you're being results-oriented here. With AK in your hand, there's less of a chance either of the other two hold an ace or a king. The AK vs AK vs AA is a very, very unlikely holding 3-way.

[11t]

I'm well aware, I just thought it was funny that the worst case scenario occurred here.

I had a feeling though /images/graemlins/wink.gif