allin preflop with KQ vs. image playa

[creedofhubris]

Villain in this hand has an image play he likes to make soon after sitting down. He goes allin preflop from the blinds after a bunch of limpers, gets no calls, and flashes trash hands. 84. 92. J5. That sort of thing. Nothing with any smidgen of value, nothing sooooooted, nothing with card strength. He does this to get action, he likes to make insanely big bets, loose calls with draws, etc. I've seen him make this preflop play at least four times over the last few months, usually after he's been off the site for a while and has returned, so that everyone present gets the proper image that he's a wild maniac who should be called down.

Anyway, villain has just sat down at 5/10 $1000 table with a bunch of new players. Hero limps KQo from EP. Several other unimaginative limpers.

Villain moves in from BB for $1000.

Hero calls.

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Has villian ever moved in like this when there has been an UTG+? limper before?

[TonyBlair]

Maybe.
I'm not sure you're far enough ahead of any of his hands to risk running into a beast behind you. Mathematicians are free to come in here.........

[creedofhubris]

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Maybe.
I'm not sure you're far enough ahead of any of his hands to risk running into a beast behind you. Mathematicians are free to come in here.........

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I'm first in. Couple of limpers near the button. If they'd had hands I would've heard.

Besides, to them, it's gotta like like I limped with AA or KK; they'd need a real huge hand to come in here.

[TonyBlair]

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they'd need a real huge hand to come in here.

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.....a beast, in fact.

I'm all up for pushing small edges and your read on the BB seems solid enough. I'd def call if a) I was last to act and b) I was sure villain wouldn't do this with a big hand.

If I had a read on an opponent like this I'd be itching to put it to use - and this may supersede my better judgement at the table. Poker plans fuzz the mind. Hope it went well.

[Bosox]

i've seen this type (or this exact player) before, and so i really don't mind your call. It's a high standard deviation play no matter what he's holding so if you've got the roll to follow through with it i think it's still +EV vs this player. Even if you're dominated (at worst 15-20%) it's going to help YOUR table image and you may get a refund on that investment. hope it worked out.
sox

[Bosox]

...and for my own edification - what'd he have?

[psyduck]

great topic. i'd love to hear the results, although I think you played perfectly. might as well get your money in as a 5:3 favorite. in fact, you can advertise yourself too as an idiot that calls all-ins with KQ

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in fact, you can advertise yourself too as an idiot that calls all-ins with KQ

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[captZEEbo1]

given your description EASSSSSSY call. Is this post just to brag about your nh?

[creedofhubris]

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given your description EASSSSSSY call. Is this post just to brag about your nh?

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Not really, more of a warning to be careful about image plays and observant opponents. I have no doubt that my opponents take advantage of observing me a lot too.

Opponent had Q3. He hit a 3.

Did provoke some table chatter, though, and opponent didn't stick around for very long after that hand.

[amoeba]

I don't know why people do this.

It seems intuitive that raising to 100 or 150 is much better than pushing here.

image plays are only worth it if the amount you risk now is smaller than what you potentially win through establishment of the image.

[Greeksquared]

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given your description EASSSSSSY call. Is this post just to brag about your nh?

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How exactly do you pronounce EASSSSSSY? Does it rhyme with messy?

[runnerunner]

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image plays are only worth it if the amount you risk now is smaller than what you potentially win through establishment of the image.

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Or if you spike a pair and stack a guy that calls a $1000 bet with KQ.

[creedofhubris]

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image plays are only worth it if the amount you risk now is smaller than what you potentially win through establishment of the image.

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Or if you spike a pair and stack a guy that calls a $1000 bet with KQ.

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I'll take ~.75 preflop equity any time.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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image plays are only worth it if the amount you risk now is smaller than what you potentially win through establishment of the image.

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Or if you spike a pair and stack a guy that calls a $1000 bet with KQ.

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I'll take ~.75 preflop equity any time.

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You didn't have 75% equity vs. his hand range.

[psyduck]

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given your description EASSSSSSY call. Is this post just to brag about your nh?

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Not really, more of a warning to be careful about image plays and observant opponents. I have no doubt that my opponents take advantage of observing me a lot too.

Opponent had Q3. He hit a 3.

Did provoke some table chatter, though, and opponent didn't stick around for very long after that hand.

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I CANNOT believe why he didn't stick around after that hand. WTF, didn't he accomplish what he was trying to do? Or was he scared that you had him pegged..

[psyduck]

you're not 3:1 against his range. assuming two undercards for him, you're 5:3. we're assuming two undercards because hero said that villain has done this in the past with hands that contain no suited, connected or high card value. in short, the lower 50% of all possible hands. if we assume this, he's 5:3

perfect play. bad results /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[creedofhubris]

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you're not 3:1 against his range. assuming two undercards for him, you're 5:3. we're assuming two undercards because hero said that villain has done this in the past with hands that contain no suited, connected or high card value. in short, the lower 50% of all possible hands. if we assume this, he's 5:3

perfect play. bad results /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I was willing to accept 5:3. But I liked 3:1 even better. Pity it didn't work out.

[psyduck]

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you're not 3:1 against his range. assuming two undercards for him, you're 5:3. we're assuming two undercards because hero said that villain has done this in the past with hands that contain no suited, connected or high card value. in short, the lower 50% of all possible hands. if we assume this, he's 5:3

perfect play. bad results /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I was willing to accept 5:3. But I liked 3:1 even better. Pity it didn't work out.

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Indeed.

I find it amazing that you've kept track of him over months. Although I guess going all-in with 50BB and showing 84o should leave a mark.