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pearljam
07-27-2005, 11:58 PM
Im back from the break and am going to be playing 50 30+3's everyday 4 tabling starting tommarow. I have nearly $2000 for a bankroll and will move down to the 20+2's at 1000$ and then tens and 25NL at the appropriate times. If I lose this im probably going to quit as it would be pretty obvious that I suck. Anyway before I start im going to post some 30+3 hands im not sure on, any feedback from you guys would be greatly appreciated.

Hand #1

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MP2 (t1795)
CO (t835)
Button (t95)
SB (t880)
BB (t940)
UTG (t745)
UTG+1 (t1935)
Hero (t775)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t425</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t560

I probably should have pushed here, I folded, can anyone defend this play?

Hand #2

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UTG (t1680)
Hero (t495)
CO (t270)
Button (t965)
SB (t1220)
BB (t3370)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t495 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t645

My instincts tell me I was slighty wrong here, but that this would be correct if I was in the cutoff, so pretty close either way. It's possible that im not factoring in the stupid calling ranges of some of the 30+3 players and this is'nt as close as I think

Hand #3

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CO (t1405)
Button (t1015)
SB (t515)
BB (t760)
UTG (t1520)
UTG+1 (t750)
MP1 (t650)
MP2 (t610)
Hero (t775)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, CO calls t120, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 folds.

Flop: (t315) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, CO calls t100.

Turn: (t515) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t250</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t765

Ok so the pre-flop bet is standard, what about the continuation bet on the flop? It seems like im almost commiting myself with this probe bet, should I be check/folding on this flop? Pretty sure turn fold is also standard if you do probe bet the flop.

Hand #4

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Button (t870)
SB (t692)
BB (t573)
UTG (t480)
UTG+1 (t1725)
MP1 (t975)
MP2 (t1135)
Hero (t775)
CO (t775)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t65</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t305

Should I have called this re-raise and pushed low cards/folded to overs?

Hand #5

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UTG (t503)
UTG+1 (t1085)
MP1 (t1722)
MP2 (t790)
MP3 (t595)
CO (t1045)
Button (t725)
SB (t595)
Hero (t940)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, UTG folds, MP2 folds, Button calls t150, SB folds.

Turn: (t450) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t760 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t545 (All-In).

River: (t1755) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1755

This is the hand im the most unsure about, I have no idea how I should have played this, Help!

ChuckNorris
07-28-2005, 12:38 AM
#1 AK - Good fold. You don't want a coinflip on lvl2 of a party 30+3 sit'n'go, you want to wait for bigger edges later on. They aren't folding to your push, so fold unless you know they go all-in with A9 or something.

#2 64s - Easy fold. Push this if you're SB, not even from the button. All you can do is prey for a better hand.

#3 QQ - Well played. You could bet a little stronger on the flop so it isn't so easy for villain to call with crap and perhaps smell weakness on the turn and steal the pot.

#4 JJ - I think your afterthoughts express well how you should've played.

#5 K7o - I don't like betting the pot, 2/3 pot is enough. You have the second nut flush draw, and TPGK. Probably the best hand and a good draw. You could try to 'milk it' on the turn a bit and bet something like 200, but I think pushing is just fine. Had you bet less on the flop, you could bet less than all-in here too. But you would be aiming for buttons entire stack anyways.

psyduck
07-28-2005, 12:42 AM
hand 1: this early, I like to limp AKo so that I don't have to commit myself. seeing as you already have 1/8th of your stack in, I think it's time to push. really, you'll see a worse ace a large part of the time because it's a 30+3

hand 2: I think I fold with 6 high here...

hand 3: standard

hand 4: limp JJ in the first level! you're playing for overpair/set value here. you can fold to any raise after your limp

hand 5: I play it the same

ChuckNorris
07-28-2005, 01:33 AM
You're throwing away big value by limping AKo and JJ. It's just bad. JJ is for some reason always debated on (I have argued against raising JJ preflop here, too /images/graemlins/blush.gif), but I don't think any good player suggests limping AKo (like Lorinda suggests limping jacks). It's just insane. Why would you let everyone draw out on you for cheap? It's not committing yourself if you raise to 3-5xBB on level 2.

ChrisV
07-28-2005, 03:02 AM
Hand 1: Conservative, but fine...

Hand 2: Fine...

Hand 3: Pause a bit, then check the flop. Your opponent will be scared to bet much without an ace as they're afraid you're trapping. If they bet a pathetic amount, checkraise. If they check, bet the turn. Give up if you encounter resistance.

Hand 4: This is why I like to limp JJ preflop at this level.

Hand 5: Nasty situation on the turn. Since on the flop you're basically not folding this hand, but don't particularly want a call, it's probably better to overbet the pot so your stack:pot ratio is less awkward on the turn. Even betting allin on the flop, while extreme, would be OK.

Maulik
07-28-2005, 09:57 AM
#1 good muck; you are being shown legitimate strength; lower Ace is unlikely; too early for a race.

#2 better position would be ideal, but this push is necessary, hope you get shown over cards

#3 continuation bet here I myself wonder. why? you are sandwiched. Check/muck seems weak but better than betting and ending up with less than t600 chips and possibily still being out of position. Also, there is a difference between a continuation bet &amp; probe bet. Your bet was clearly a probe. This bet would probably be more successful against better players with deeper stacks. A continuation bet here would have been ½ or 2/3 of the pot.

#4 JJ nothing wrong with taxing the blinds rather than allowing them in for extremely cheap/free; however, this backfired and you’re only option is to muck rather than racing if that’s the case.

#5 Bet 100 let more players try &amp; ‘outdraw’ you. The A /images/graemlins/heart.gif isn’t going anywhere if he’s around, more likely than not, so extra chips that enter the pot are just an added bonus if you hit the flush, IMO.