What about this, does anyone NOT play this?

[ilya]

Sorry, going a little insane.

#Game No : 2435975826
***** Hand History for Game 2435975826 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14321064 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Wednesday, July 27, 23:41:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 22395 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: StneColdCall ( $1080 )
Seat 4: ktrio730 ( $1300 )
Seat 5: jrpoker ( $1120 )
Seat 6: mcarl05 ( $2435 )
Seat 10: vegasnights1 ( $2065 )
Trny:14321064 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to StneColdCall [ Th Ts ]
ktrio730 folds.
jrpoker raises [450].
mcarl05 folds.
vegasnights1 folds.

[curtains]

The only play that I hate is folding. I'd probably just move allin however.

[Ogre]

push

[durron597]

I voted stop and go but player dependant.

[valenzuela]

maybe calling and pushing any non T flop is another line.

[microbet]

I voted push.

I don't really like the stop-n-go as his raise was weak enough that he may fold to your push and if he would end up folding after the flop it is likely that you would be far ahead of him anyway.

[Jimbobobb]

Just curious - what's with these posts? They seem like pretty easy pushes (at least this and the JK post). Are you losing a lot of coinflips lately? I'm usually very impressed with your posts and your grasp of the game, and these somewhat seemingly simple decision posts have me confused. Am I missing something huge? Just wondering.

[ilya]

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Just curious - what's with these posts? They seem like pretty easy pushes (at least this and the JK post). Are you losing a lot of coinflips lately? I'm usually very impressed with your posts and your grasp of the game, and these somewhat seemingly simple decision posts have me confused. Am I missing something huge? Just wondering.

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Yeah I've had a horrible month & I guess it's starting to get to me a bit. I'm also trying to quit smoking so maybe I'm a bit more on edge than usual.
You're not missing anything huge, at least not as far as I'm aware. This is just ilya going craaaazy.

Thanks for asking & I hope to restore your faith in my judgment in the near future /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Scuba Chuck]

I'm pretty sure I'd fold here. I'm pretty certain I can speak for Negative EV here as well, as we both agree on how to play with this many players on the $33s. On a higher limit, I'd be far more inclined to play this hand.

Even if you have a read, this is a race if you play.

[The Yugoslavian]

I have faith in you Ilya! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

You can do eeeeeeeeet!

Yugoslav

[maddog2030]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah I've had a horrible month & I guess it's starting to get to me a bit. I'm also trying to quit smoking so maybe I'm a bit more on edge than usual.
You're not missing anything huge, at least not as far as I'm aware. This is just ilya going craaaazy.

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I was wondering the exact same thing as Jimbobobb. If you don't mind me asking, did this have anything to do with withdrawing a lot of your bankroll?

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for asking & I hope to restore your faith in my judgment in the near future /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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No one lost faith. Well, maybe a tiiiny bit, but I have no doubt it and your luck will rebound quickly.

[Jimbobobb]

Your reasoning for folding here? Because he would only raise half his stack with a hand that you have 2 outs against? Or?

[nate_king1]

He could raise with anything like KQ or A9s which are both good things. I'd say put him to a decision for most of his chips. PUSH it.

[The Yugoslavian]

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I'm pretty sure I'd fold here. I'm pretty certain I can speak for Negative EV here as well, as we both agree on how to play with this many players on the $33s. On a higher limit, I'd be far more inclined to play this hand.

Even if you have a read, this is a race if you play.

[/ QUOTE ]

You don't think the villian is making this play with 66? If you really don't then a fold might be good.

However, against the $33 players I've played with, 66 won't be the bottom of villian's range here....and by folding TT you're giving up a ton of $CashMoney$.

Yugoslav

[nWirb]

To the ones who voted for stop and go:
What hands that beat you do you expect him to fold after the flop when you move in?

[Mr_J]

"like KQ or A9s which are both good things"

Nope. I'd much prefer to up vs A9s than KQ.

"I'd say put him to a decision for most of his chips. PUSH it."

Problem is this isn't a decision for most opponents. You have hardly any folding equity except vs a few total morons.

[ilya]

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To the ones who voted for stop and go:
What hands that beat you do you expect him to fold after the flop when you move in?

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It's mostly that you want two overs to fold on the flop if they miss.

[LotsOfOuts69]

If this d-bag would fold to a reraise of all-in preflop then I'm dropping out of school this year and starting poker full time.

This is a stop and go all the way, there is no benefit to pushing preflop.

[Maulik]

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To the ones who voted for stop and go:
What hands that beat you do you expect him to fold after the flop when you move in?

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It's mostly that you want two overs to fold on the flop if they miss.

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Tax them for seeing the last 2 if overs don't flop

[tigerite]

Stop and go is for when you have a good hand but not a great one, i.e. one that if you pushed preflop and were called, are not ever likely to be a huge favourite. TT is not one of these hands, therefore you push so they will call with their smaller pairs, AT and below and so forth, as well as their two overs, which they certainly will not always have.