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hotsauce615
07-27-2005, 04:07 PM
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

CO: shows [Kc 9c] (a full house, Nines full of Kings)


I figured he wouldn't bet so strong after the flop because of the one other 9 out there that could induce callers. Also no raising preflop so probably nobody has 2 pair now. I put him on those 9's for the entire time. I guess i misplayed this /images/graemlins/confused.gif

McGahee
07-27-2005, 04:12 PM
Fold PF
flop is meh
turn is good
river bet is good, river 3-bet is no good

HollywoodDB
07-27-2005, 04:13 PM
Anybody else muck this preflop?

gharp
07-27-2005, 04:14 PM
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Fold PF
flop is meh
turn is good
river bet is good, river 3-bet is no good

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What he said -- I'd just bet out on the flop.

hotsauce615
07-27-2005, 04:16 PM
I could avoided all this if I threw that hand away pre flop, but should I have come out stronger than on the flop?

nomadtla
07-27-2005, 04:23 PM
*grunch*
Preflop: is OK but marginal (closer to the OK side if you can play it well postflop) I'd probably fold it.
Unless The flop has two/images/graemlins/heart.gif's or is 77x, 227 there is no way I'm putting in anything more into this pot.

gharp
07-27-2005, 04:25 PM
On the flop I think there's a reasonable chance that you have the best hand, but it's easy to get outdrawn if you give free cards. So I'd just bet since you don't know that you'll be able to check-raise.

(Not sure if that answers your question...)

davelin
07-27-2005, 04:35 PM
Fold pre-flop. Flop is meh, 3-betting the river hurts. Don't be a typical PPer and just look and say "I got a full house...raise!"

aces_dad
07-27-2005, 04:37 PM
Even without a K, his likely holding of a 9 means his 9's full of 2's beat your 2's full of 9's. I also fold pf with such low gapped suited cards and small field.

gopnik
07-27-2005, 04:40 PM
I fold preflop and I fold the flop to COs bet since there are no draws he could be betting. You are behind of everthing (9, pp, or 2 with a better kicker).

Redd
07-27-2005, 04:41 PM
I fold preflop. An for a 3SB pot with BPNK against typically loose players, I'd be pretty tempted to check-fold the flop too. One more player on the flop and it would be a guaranteed c/f for me.

MrWookie47
07-27-2005, 04:43 PM
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I fold preflop and I fold the flop to COs bet since there are no draws he could be betting. You are behind of everthing (9, pp, or 2 with a better kicker).

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GrunchCan
07-27-2005, 04:46 PM
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Anybody else muck this preflop?

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With just 1 opponent entering the pot before us, the implied odds suck for such a weak hand. I'll fold PF in this spot. If this pot had 6 limpers before me, it becomes a clear complete and I'm jubilant to call 1 more if BB raises to 2. Then I cross my fingers...

hotsauce615
07-27-2005, 05:39 PM
more i look at it, the more right you guys are thanks for the input

flyangler
07-27-2005, 05:50 PM
:grunching:
You misplayed this hand by calling with 72. Please don't do this ever again.
TIA

GrunchCan
07-27-2005, 05:51 PM
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:grunching:
You misplayed this hand by calling with 72. Please don't do this ever again.
TIA

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It wouldn't have been so bad if there were some people in the pot. Frankly, I think the PF error was pretty small.

aces_dad
07-27-2005, 05:54 PM
Not to pick on OP, but the river 3bet is the real spewage on this hand.

eviljeff
07-27-2005, 05:55 PM
yeah this was poorly played. after you're 3bet on the flop you're in raise or fold mode, and it's a pretty clear fold. you're either slightly ahead, or way behind. the only "outs" you have are your bdfd or the negligible chance of running dueces. these are not worth a calldown. you're hemorraging money on the river when you go nuts 2s full. the only thing you're ahead of now that you weren't before is a pp or a K. fold da flop after being 3bet.

GrunchCan
07-27-2005, 06:00 PM
I agree.

OrianasDaad
07-27-2005, 06:17 PM
Grunch:

I fold small gapped and suited cards in the small blind, especially if it's only going to be 3-way.

Flop:If you are ahead, you are way ahead, if you are behind, you are way behind. The 3-bet says CO has a 9 or a larger PP.

Turn: You picked up a flush draw, calling is fine here.

River: You realize that you are behind to the likely 9's full boat? 3-betting here is spewing.

07-27-2005, 06:36 PM
It looks to me at the flop that he has trip 9s, but I call the flop based on possibility I'm ahead plus redraw potential of backdoor flush possibility (1.5 outs) combined with full house potential (2 outs). So I call there.

On the turn I'm calling with the possibility of flush still existing (I probably still call even if flush card doesn't hit).

On the river, I bet due to my full house, but call his raise b/c I think he has a better full house.

07-27-2005, 06:48 PM
I have been calling pre-flop from SB with any suited cards in an unraised pot. I thought the concept was that, even with only one limper, the implied odds are worth calling from the SB with any suited cards in an unraised pot. In other words, you are making half a bet now instead of a full bet, so your implied odds are about double.

Maybe someone can explain (mathematical explanation may be helpful) why that may not be true??? Thanks.

hotsauce615
07-27-2005, 07:22 PM
My critical mistake ws 4 tabling and talking on the phone when I really look at it. I need to up my concentration and cut out my distractions. As always, thanks for the input everybody.

Jaran
07-28-2005, 12:26 AM
Haven't read any other responses, so forgive me if I repeat. This is, for me, a pf fold with only one caller. I want at least 2 more before I play soooted junk, even from the sb. Post flop, you went a little crazy here. Pot is tiny and you have bottom pair. Save this kind of win the pot aggression for a pot that's worth it. Turn is the only street I like. So, my line would be: fold pf, fold flop, c/c turn, bet/call river.

-Jaran