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maryfield48
07-27-2005, 04:04 PM
I'm taking a break from limit ring games, and intend to play a bit more SNGs. I had this hand the other night in a $10 Stars SNG:

Lvl IV - 50/100
Hero is UTG 1845 chips, picks up <font color="red">K/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif</font>
Seat 5 1195
Seat 6 4290
Btn 1200
SB 1935
BB 2885

I raise to 300, 2 folds, button pushes, 2 folds.

Button has 25%VPIP, 12.5% PFR. Hasn't shown down junk. He earlier called a big all-in over the top of his minraise and flipped KQo. Do I call this getting almost 2:1?
Apathy
07-27-2005, 04:05 PM
Fold PF,

KJs utg 5-6 handed is junk.
Nicholasp27
07-27-2005, 04:06 PM
i fold (i never woulda bet 300 with kjs tho...woulda folded pf)

u still have 15BBs and it's not worth going down to 645 chips on a coinflip here...and since he still has 12BBs, he's not desperate, so he prolly has a good hand

not worth it IMO

next time just fold pf and avoid this...but once u are here, fold now
wildzer0
07-27-2005, 04:07 PM
Definitely fold this, you're going to get yourself in a bad situation more often than not.
durron597
07-27-2005, 04:09 PM
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Fold PF,

KJs utg 5-6 handed is junk.

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AliasMrJones
07-27-2005, 04:59 PM
Fold preflop.
liucipher
07-27-2005, 05:13 PM
Fold preflop. Failing that, fold after the push.

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Hasn't shown down junk. He earlier called a big all-in over the top of his minraise and flipped KQo.

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I don't get it. Is this implying KQo is strong? I think you need to read up on the difference in hand selection in SNG vs. ring, because they're wholly different.
mlagoo
07-27-2005, 05:16 PM
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Hasn't shown down junk. He earlier called a big all-in over the top of his minraise and flipped KQo.

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this is too awesome
11t
07-27-2005, 05:17 PM
I fold preflop instead of raising and I muck to this re-raise
maryfield48
07-27-2005, 05:46 PM
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Fold preflop. Failing that, fold after the push.

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Hasn't shown down junk. He earlier called a big all-in over the top of his minraise and flipped KQo.

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I don't get it. Is this implying KQo is strong? I think you need to read up on the difference in hand selection in SNG vs. ring, because they're wholly different.

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I guess the juxtaposition with the previous sentence was unfortunate. No I didn't intend to imply that KQo is strong - just the opposite, especially in the context. I thought it was a bad call is why I mentioned it.
morgan180
07-27-2005, 06:07 PM
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Fold PF,

KJs utg 5-6 handed is junk.

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sahala
07-27-2005, 06:34 PM
Is KJs a standard limit ring game raising hand UTG?
AliasMrJones
07-27-2005, 11:09 PM
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Is KJs a standard limit ring game raising hand UTG?

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At least in a small stakes game, yes.
Uppercut
07-27-2005, 11:16 PM
Fold. You are too easily dominated. KJ is not a hand to be calling an all-in bet with, especially since you will still have over 1500 chips if you fold.
yabastid
07-27-2005, 11:20 PM
fold.
DyessMan89
07-27-2005, 11:33 PM
Am i the only one that doesnt agree on folding this preflop? 5-6 handed what are you guys waiting for? Yes, you dont have the greatest position, but I still think its worth atleast a limp here. You guys are a bunch of weak-tight girlie men.

I limp this hand, and then fold to a big push. Now that you're in the situation your in, I really dont know. Its hard to laydown KJs when you're getting 2 to 1.
07-27-2005, 11:40 PM
totally agree. i don't give a [censored] what anyone says, if you fold k-j preflop here, you're playing like an 85 year old tightwad in atlantic city who's just sitting at the poker table waiting to die.
you have to fold when you're re-raised huge like this, but this is not a fold preflop.
AliasMrJones
07-28-2005, 02:21 PM
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You guys are a bunch of weak-tight girlie men.

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I limp this hand, and then fold to a big push.

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I like how you call us weak-tight girlie men just before you say you're going to limp/fold.
diconoclastx
08-04-2005, 12:35 PM
I think it is OK to raise 300 on a steal if the table is tight, but of course fold to the reraise allin.
08-04-2005, 12:41 PM
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I think it is OK to raise 300 on a steal if the table is tight, but of course fold to the reraise allin.

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Not from UTG.
08-04-2005, 12:46 PM
A steal attempt is likely to get called more than 1/3 of the time, meaning -EV. Re-raises are an auto-fold. Bad play.

When you are called, you have to hope for top pair, and if you get them you have to worry about being out-kicked. Sure formula to lose a lot of chips and way more stress than you should put yourself through on this hand.

I fold this every time pre-flop.
DeepFryer
08-04-2005, 01:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the approximate odds that someone has a better hand than him, with 5 other players at the table? And by better, I don't count pocket pairs lower than JJ, because that's pretty much a coinflip.

So specifically, I'm wondering what the odds are that someone else has JJ-AA,AJ,AQ,AK, or KQ.