16 card wrap in a multiway pot.

[jhall23]

Typical Party 25 game.

I'm dealt K /images/graemlins/club.gif9 /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/club.gif8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif in MP.

1 limper to me ($52) and I min-raise. 6 to the flop.

Flop (2.85) Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ /images/graemlins/club.gif6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

BB ($29) pots it , 1 fold, I call , 1 fold, shortack Button moves all in for 8.75, 1 fold, BB calls the raise, I then pot it which would put BB all-in .

What do you think about the initial smooth call on the flop? I normally get pretty agressive with big draws, but with 3 left to act I thought it might not hurt if others join plus I can lay down on the turn if the board pairs and I still get heat. With a low straight card I could even get in a free roll with someone to a higher straight and only AT has the possibility to catch a higher straight.

Once it's back to me I figure with no flush draws my equity is real good here and might as well just put it in so I can see two cards and won't have to face a bet into a dry side-pot on a blank turn.

My logic seem good here? Change this anywhere?

[Tilt]

I don't like the 1st call. The only way you end up making a mistake with this hand is if on the turn you are faced with a tough decision and choose poorly. That can generally be avoided by playing the flop aggressively.

Say you cal and it calls around, and the board pairs. You'll have to muck, only to see weak two pair take it down when it should have been yours to begin with. Or if the board double suits but blanks for your straight, and then someone makes it all you have to see the river. Much better to just move in while you are ahead. There is no sense in slowplaying a hand that isn't even made yet.

[joewatch]

I like your play all-around. Your initial flop call is fine as you can get away cheaply if the board pairs on the turn. Once it get's raised and it's 3-way, you have the correct odds to put BB all-in.

[TheRempel]

Raise raise raise the flop. There are three cards in the deck that can make you a good hand but someone else a better one; the three remaining kings. Like Tilt said, if you simply call you are going to be folding a lot of turns that seem to hurt your draw when your opponents aren't that strong to begin with but may chase down your draw.

[bugstud]

fwiw I think you're in touble here unless you hit an 8 or a 9

[TheRempel]

You're right. I need to stop posting when I'm dead tired.

[bugstud]

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someone may not have AKT, but if they do you're in a world of hurt

[jhall23]

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someone may not have AKT, but if they do you're in a world of hurt

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Yeah that would definetly be no good. I actually thought about it previously and plugged some stuff in two dimes against 1 opponent with top set and another with AKTx.

I'm actually a fav against AKT (unless he has Axc in which case the EV's basically flip around), but it obviously kills my ev against a flopped set.

So does this go towards the argument that I should have just raised the first bet?

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1109478
pokenum -o kc tc 8s 9s - qc qh kh 4d - as kd ts 4h -- qd jc 6h
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Jc Qd 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s 8s Kc Tc 87 13.06 460 69.07 119 17.87 0.219
Qc 4d Kh Qh 392 58.86 269 40.39 5 0.75 0.591
As Ts Kd 4h 68 10.21 479 71.92 119 17.87 0.190

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1111206
pokenum -o kc tc 8s 9s - qc qh kh 4d -- qd jc 6h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Jc Qd 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s 8s Kc Tc 353 43.05 448 54.63 19 2.32 0.442
Qc 4d Kh Qh 448 54.63 353 43.05 19 2.32 0.558

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Anyway Results: BB folded and I ended up against the top set hand shown in the two-dimes calculation above. I wiffed however. Really curious what BB would have here but who knows with some of these guys.