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Isura
07-27-2005, 01:43 AM
I had ssen villain in the hand minraise AJo utg for 300 with a 1000 stack earlier on the bubble, so I didn't give him too much credit for a hand. Completely standard on the flop, or spewing chips by not pushing preflop?

***** Hand History for Game 2431188358 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14296377 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, July 27, 01:25:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 13993 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: Chaz201st ( $1905 )
Seat 6: escolade04 ( $2130 )
Seat 7: ginlcky1 ( $1405 )
Seat 8: testbatsmen1 ( $2560 )
Trny:14296377 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to testbatsmen1 [ Jh Ah ]
Chaz201st raises [400].
escolade04 folds.
ginlcky1 folds.
testbatsmen1 calls [200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Th, 6s ]
testbatsmen1 is all-In [2160]

The Don
07-27-2005, 01:47 AM
I like it... exactly the play I would make. You can't fold AJs... raising is ok but I think this is better.

curtains
07-27-2005, 01:49 AM
This isnt a stop+go. This is a stop and see what comes on the flop and then when it's a nut flush draw move allin play. I think it's fine, although checkraising allin is reasonable too if you think he will surely bet but not commit himself. Of course its hard to be sure of such things.

Isura
07-27-2005, 01:52 AM
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This isnt a stop+go. This is a stop and see what comes on the flop and then when it's a nut flush draw move allin play. I think it's fine, although checkraising allin is reasonable too if you think he will surely bet but not commit himself. Of course its hard to be sure of such things.

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I was planning to push any flop, is that bad?

morgan180
07-27-2005, 01:53 AM
I think a c/r will probably be more +ev. Especially if you think the villian is aggressive and will take a shot at the pot here. If you think the villian will push this flop if you check then I like your pre-emptive push.

Shakespeare
07-27-2005, 01:57 AM
I dont like your play at all. You have a large stack, the better move would be to move all in or fold. I would move all in as I cover the raiser.

curtains
07-27-2005, 01:58 AM
Yes, unfortunately it's very poor strategy. You have tremendous preflop fold equity as your opponent still has 1500 chips left and it's on the freaking bubble!! People play tight on the bubble!

He has put in 400 chips with 1500 behind. He likely either has a hand that is folding now, or if not, it's calling you a large percentage of the time postflop after you push. So basically you give free cards to his weak hands, thus giving them a chance to beat you and lose all the money to his strong hands that would have called your preflop raise anyway. Of course there are some exceptions like maybe he'd call 77 but fold to a KQ5 flop, but they are rare.

Calling preflop is okay, but not blindly moving allin on the flop. You plan to risk 1500 to win 900 on the flop, which could easily help your opponent and convince them to call you when they would have folded preflop.

Pat Southern
07-27-2005, 02:15 AM
Stop and gos are supposed to be used when he won't fold preflop, but will postflop. He can still fold to an allin preflop, and may in fact call with some of the dominated hands that you'll lose if you stop and go.

lastchance
07-27-2005, 02:20 AM
Getting someone to fold 1.5:1 isn't what a stop and go is about.

Just push preflop.

The Yugoslavian
07-27-2005, 03:40 AM
The point of a stop n go is to gain some FE on the flop when there is very little to no FE preflop. Here you probably have more FE preflop than on the flop. Given your read pushing preflop seems in order. You're either ahead or going to take down some chips uncontested.

Yugoslav

tigerite
07-27-2005, 04:50 AM
I'd push preflop, if you had 1000 chips here then the stop and go is the way to go

SCfuji
07-27-2005, 06:13 AM
am i wrong to think that since you have the villain covered that you can still push preflop?