My Bustout Hand in Tonite's Super

[DemonDeac]

The converter sucks. Sorry about the format. This hand is crucial. I think i gotta fold when its back to me. But then again, its a huuuge pot and if i hit my flush, im golden, but i still have a player to act behind me. Also, what do you guys think about the flop bet, it was more of a blocking bet than anything.

no reads since this was like my 5th table played at since party was moving like 5 tables ahead everytime i moved.

I'm SB this hand too. I don't think the preflop call is questionable at all.

#Game No : 2430459443
***** Hand History for Game 2430459443 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:14288066 Level:7 Blinds (100/200) - Tuesday, July 26, 23:24:40 EDT 2005
Table Super Tuesday(403654) Table #17 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Nina500 ( $3850 )
Seat 2: StopWatching ( $3336 )
Seat 4: hitman0917 ( $4196 )
Seat 5: pi_ZZ_ics ( $6066 )
Seat 6: AgentFolder ( $17340 )
Seat 7: doogiejones ( $1878 )
Seat 8: GreenEz ( $7006 )
Seat 9: sellopt ( $11200 )
Seat 10: ck1117 ( $5181 )
Trny:14288066 Level:7
Blinds (100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pi_ZZ_ics [ 8d 9d ]
highyield6 has joined the table.
Player highyield6 has been moved from table 20 to this table
doogiejones folds.
GreenEz folds.
sellopt raises [475].
ck1117 calls [475].
Nina500 folds.
StopWatching calls [475].
hitman0917 folds.
pi_ZZ_ics calls [375].
AgentFolder calls [275].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 2h, 5d ]
everybody's in!!
pi_ZZ_ics bets [1000].
AgentFolder folds.
sellopt calls [1000].
ck1117 is all-In [4706]
StopWatching folds.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
pi_ZZ_ics will be using his time bank for this hand.
pi_ZZ_ics is all-In [4591]
sellopt calls [4591].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
pi_ZZ_ics shows [ 8d, 9d ] a pair of twos.
sellopt shows [ Ad, Qd ] a straight, ace to five.
ck1117 shows [ Jd, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and twos.
sellopt wins 1770 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
sellopt wins 16493 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.
Player ck1117 finished in 183 place
Player pi_ZZ_ics finished in 182 place
pi_ZZ_ics has left the table.
ck1117 has left the table.

[Dave D]

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The converter sucks. Sorry about the format. This hand is crucial. I think i gotta fold when its back to me. But then again, its a huuuge pot and if i hit my flush, im golden, but i still have a player to act behind me. Also, what do you guys think about the flop bet, it was more of a blocking bet than anything.

no reads since this was like my 5th table played at since party was moving like 5 tables ahead everytime i moved.

I'm SB this hand too. I don't think the preflop call is questionable at all.

#Game No : 2430459443
***** Hand History for Game 2430459443 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:14288066 Level:7 Blinds (100/200) - Tuesday, July 26, 23:24:40 EDT 2005
Table Super Tuesday(403654) Table #17 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Nina500 ( $3850 )
Seat 2: StopWatching ( $3336 )
Seat 4: hitman0917 ( $4196 )
Seat 5: pi_ZZ_ics ( $6066 )
Seat 6: AgentFolder ( $17340 )
Seat 7: doogiejones ( $1878 )
Seat 8: GreenEz ( $7006 )
Seat 9: sellopt ( $11200 )
Seat 10: ck1117 ( $5181 )
Trny:14288066 Level:7
Blinds (100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pi_ZZ_ics [ 8d 9d ]
highyield6 has joined the table.
Player highyield6 has been moved from table 20 to this table
doogiejones folds.
GreenEz folds.
sellopt raises [475].
ck1117 calls [475].
Nina500 folds.
StopWatching calls [475].
hitman0917 folds.
pi_ZZ_ics calls [375].
AgentFolder calls [275].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 2h, 5d ]
everybody's in!!
pi_ZZ_ics bets [1000].
AgentFolder folds.
sellopt calls [1000].
ck1117 is all-In [4706]
StopWatching folds.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
pi_ZZ_ics will be using his time bank for this hand.
pi_ZZ_ics is all-In [4591]
sellopt calls [4591].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
pi_ZZ_ics shows [ 8d, 9d ] a pair of twos.
sellopt shows [ Ad, Qd ] a straight, ace to five.
ck1117 shows [ Jd, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and twos.
sellopt wins 1770 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
sellopt wins 16493 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.
Player ck1117 finished in 183 place
Player pi_ZZ_ics finished in 182 place
pi_ZZ_ics has left the table.
ck1117 has left the table.

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Personally I think I fold PF to the raise, especially w/ so many actors I think I'd have reason to think there's a more than decent chance that someone will actually have a higher flush draw. But whatever, given that you called, given that flop I don't think there's any way you can think you're getting out of that hand w/o going all in against someone. Someone's gonna push.

I've never played this tourney, but is it just a standard payout structure? If it is, I would have folded. You don't need this pot, you're got a healthy stack and you might even be drawing dead.


edit: You're going to be going all in whether or not you make that 1000 chip bet. Once that flop hits I know someone's with a high PP either going to be raising any bet all in I make, or going all in themselves eventually.

[LethalRose]

looks pretty good, but with 30BB I think you may be getting a little desperate. the opportunity to triple up here is very nice though, boils down to personal playing style I think.

[cferejohn]

I don't think the preflop call is bad, but I don't think it is automatic either. If you go forward with the hand on the flop, it will probably be with a draw, which you will have to play out of position. If you are reasonably comfortable doing that I think a call is fine.

I don't really like the bet out at that flop. That preflop action tells me that at least one, maybe a couple people have medium pairs, and most players are not going to be laying down a medium pair here.

Anyway, you bet, and as I should think you expected, you got pushed on. You are getting 3-1, which means you have odds to call (~3K into a pot of ~9K) assuming all your flush outs are good.

With those odds, you are somewhat compelled to call (a set seems unlikely on that board), but I think you trapped yourself into the hand by leading out like that. There's a reason that being in EP is bad and this is it. If you had called it in LP and it was checked to you, then the bet certainly seems reasonable.

I would check here and see what develops. If there is a single bettor, especially in LP, I would think about check-raising him, perhaps all-in. However, if there was a bettor and a caller or raiser (as there would almost certainly have been with these hands) you could get away knowing that you were beaten and that your flush outs may not be good.

If you are going to call drawing hands like this out of position (and I agree you are getting tremendous pot odds here), you do need to play draws aggressively, but I don't think that betting out was the way to do it here.

[cferejohn]

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edit: You're going to be going all in whether or not you make that 1000 chip bet. Once that flop hits I know someone's with a high PP either going to be raising any bet all in I make, or going all in themselves eventually.

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You don't think you can check-fold this flop? Especially if, as is likely, you have either bet/call or bet/raise to you? I think betting the 1000 is what committed him to the hand.

[KyleM]

Bad flop bet. With that action preflop, its pretty likely that somebody will make a huge bet with an overpair here (which you wouldnt want to call).

[DemonDeac]

yea. i was really unsure about the flop bet. but i was on the same line of thinking as everyone else in that in that i know someone is going to go all in and i dont want to call that with probably improper odds and with some yet to act behind me, most likely.

[rockythecat99]

The preflop call is ok being that you are in the sb and your implied odds if you hit the flop hard are great. The flop bet is completely unneccessary. With so many callers you are at least facing one if not two middle pairs. They are not folding this and are going to push to get you out of your flush draw.
Check/call or fold depending on the action.

[Dave D]

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edit: You're going to be going all in whether or not you make that 1000 chip bet. Once that flop hits I know someone's with a high PP either going to be raising any bet all in I make, or going all in themselves eventually.

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You don't think you can check-fold this flop? Especially if, as is likely, you have either bet/call or bet/raise to you? I think betting the 1000 is what committed him to the hand.

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Yeah I meant if he wanted to stay in, he was going to be all in on that flop, no matter what happened. I would have folded there.

I mentioned this b/c OP talked about the 1000 chip bet as a blocking bet, and I'm just saying I don't think that's ever going to work here.

I think that sellopt guy got lucky. st8 come on, If i were him I would stop playing

[DemonDeac]

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I think that sellopt guy got lucky. st8 come on, If i were him I would stop playing

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haha. i agree. get dealt a different hand preflop and then fold so theres more diamonds out there.

That was only my 2nd MTT in some time a year I think BTW I am sellopt

[DemonDeac]

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That was only my 2nd MTT in some time a year I think BTW I am sellopt

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yea i know. i was f'in around with you.

[runnerunner]

If you had any less chips, I would definitely push this flop. With your stack the way it was, you should either push or check and then see what happens. If you push, you might get someone with a bigger diamond draw to fold. If you check and there is one bet back to you, check raise all-in. If there is a ton of action I would be worried that my diamond outs are no good and fold. Calling off all of your chips on a draw that is not to the nuts is NOT GOOD.

Runner