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skierdude1000
07-26-2005, 12:46 AM
[STT] $3 NL 3983128-1 Holdem No Limit 20/40
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Hand Start.
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 1 : GPR34316081 has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 2 : billbabe has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 3 : JamKetu has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 4 : NLOLSON has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 5 : klala has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 6 : Diese has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 7 : ScottieKGB has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 8 : IMNOTWORTHY has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 9 : besinc has $2,000
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : billbabe is the dealer.
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : JamKetu posted small blind.
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : NLOLSON posted big blind.
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Game [1] started with 9 players.
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Seat 6 : Diese has Ah Kd
[Jul 26 03:18:13] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 8 min.
[Jul 26 03:18:15] : klala called 40 and raised 40
[Jul 26 03:18:21] : Diese called 80 and raised 160
[Jul 26 03:18:21] : ScottieKGB folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:24] : IMNOTWORTHY folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:25] : besinc folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:25] : GPR34316081 folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:26] : billbabe called 240 and raised 1,760 and is All-in
[Jul 26 03:18:32] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 8 min.
[Jul 26 03:18:33] : JamKetu folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:38] : NLOLSON folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:40] : klala folded.
[Jul 26 03:18:43] : Diese called 1,760 and is All-in
[Jul 26 03:18:44] : Showdown!
[Jul 26 03:18:44] : Seat 6 : Diese has Ah Kd
[Jul 26 03:18:46] : Seat 2 : billbabe has Ad Kh
[Jul 26 03:18:46] : Seat 6 : Diese has Ah Kd
[Jul 26 03:19:21] : Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 8 min.
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : Board cards [Ks 4s Jh 6d 5d]
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : Seat 2 : billbabe has Ad Kh
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : billbabe has Pair: Kings
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : Seat 6 : Diese has Ah Kd
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : Diese has Pair: Kings
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : billbabe ties 2,070 with Pair: Kings
[Jul 26 03:19:24] : Diese ties 2,070 with Pair: Kings


This was 2nd game of the STT I believe. My reasoning for calling is this: I either have him dominated or its a coin flip.

lastchance
07-26-2005, 12:58 AM
Again, most calls are read-dependent, and based on the average donkishness that you see, you can either make this an easy call, or at the $109's, an easy fold because Villain isn't showing anything worse than AQ, and a lot of hands that beat you.

morgan180
07-26-2005, 12:59 AM
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i don't think you should fold this here.

bluewilde
07-26-2005, 01:05 AM
Yeah, at higher buy-ins, I'd probably expect all this preflop action means you're taking the wrong side of a coinflip or are totally screwed by a dominating pair. AK doesn't mind coming over-the-top all-in, but it doesn't like to call all-in, especially early in a tourney. All that being said, I doubt that the players at the $3s are solid enough for you to read them for such a specific group of hands. I don't have experience there, but to say that this much preflop action is indicative of the specific range of hands you fear means these guys have to be pretty solid. They're not, and they'll be playing a wide enough range here (assuming they're generally bad players) to make this call profitable (i.e. better than the break-even result here).

skierdude1000
07-26-2005, 01:32 AM
Would this work at like a $10 SNG?

Bluff Daddy
07-26-2005, 01:37 AM
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i don't think you should fold this here.

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this is why I think he should fold, of course I know nothing about how he plays, but they have deep stacks and its a $3 sng so why risk busting out on a coinflip now when there should be plenty of better opportunities.

morgan180
07-26-2005, 01:40 AM
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i don't think you should fold this here.

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this is why I think he should fold, of course I know nothing about how he plays, but they have deep stacks and its a $3 sng so why risk busting out on a coinflip now when there should be plenty of better opportunities.

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this is why i think you should call - i don't think its going to be a coin flip at best - i think most of the time you'll be ahead here - you could be against an AJ/AQ just as often as you're against TT/JJ/QQ, etc. AA/KK are much less likely since you have one of each in your hand.

07-26-2005, 02:28 AM
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i don't think you should fold this here.

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Agreed. 2nd hand of a $3 NL SnG? I'm no SnG vet, but I imagine tighter play is more suitable for higher buyins.

Frankly, this is a push at $11s from MP lvl 1, so why not at $3s?