Stupid Push ITM

[TWINUNO]

Would this be push any two situation?

***** Hand History for Game 2424363549 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14259397 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Monday, July 25, 22:06:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 35130 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 3: halfbreed5 ( $4445 )
Seat 6: HERO ( $1620 )
Seat 7: BigBubbRubb ( $1935 )
Trny:14259397 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 6s Ts ]
HERO is all-In [1620]
BigBubbRubb is all-In [1785]
halfbreed5 folds.

[The Don]

I'd fold here... assuming this is early in L7 there are better spots.

[ChuckNorris]

Not even close to any two.

[Isura]

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Not even close to any two.

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If halfbreed5 is even moderately tight, this is a push. I push much worse against a tightish big stack, and T6s is about top 50%, good enough to push imo.

[morgan180]

i fold this - i'd rather push out of the blinds - you're going to get looked up here by the big stack and T6o is just too weak - now T9 i'm pushing.

[ChuckNorris]

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If halfbreed5 is even moderately tight, this is a push. I push much worse against a tightish big stack, and T6s is about top 50%, good enough to push imo.

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Really? I'm very surprised. If hero was small blind, yeah.. But he's the button /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Is this just your instinct or can you show some kind of 'proof'?

[skierdude1000]

throw it away and live to see another day

[Isura]

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If halfbreed5 is even moderately tight, this is a push. I push much worse against a tightish big stack, and T6s is about top 50%, good enough to push imo.

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Really? I'm very surprised. If hero was small blind, yeah.. But he's the button /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Is this just your instinct or can you show some kind of 'proof'?

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Well, I haven't run the icm stuff on THIS example, but I've been playing with it a lot lately in this ITM situations. But generally when you get ITM, and you have 6bb or less, it's correct to push a lot of hands you would never push on the bubble, since your opponents at these low buyins will not loosen up enough on their calling ranges when ITM. Here, we have the smallest stack, and waiting around for 1 more orbit is really going to cripple us. I'd push here.

Edit: if BB calls with 23% (22, A2, KJo, K9s,QJs) and SB calls with 12% (44, A9o, A7s, KJs) the play is +0.9% EV.
If BB calls with 30% and sb 15%, it's still +0.4%. So, 30% and 15% for BB and SB is one threshold here.

[Isura]

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i fold this - i'd rather push out of the blinds - you're going to get looked up here by the big stack and T6o is just too weak - now T9 i'm pushing.

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It's T6 soooted. That's about the same as T8o.

[curtains]

I would fold but it's definitely close for me.

[nWirb]

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If halfbreed5 is even moderately tight, this is a push. I push much worse against a tightish big stack, and T6s is about top 50%, good enough to push imo.

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Really? I'm very surprised. If hero was small blind, yeah.. But he's the button /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Is this just your instinct or can you show some kind of 'proof'?

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Well, I haven't run the icm stuff on THIS example, but I've been playing with it a lot lately in this ITM situations. But generally when you get ITM, and you have 6bb or less, it's correct to push a lot of hands you would never push on the bubble, since your opponents at these low buyins will not loosen up enough on their calling ranges when ITM. Here, we have the smallest stack, and waiting around for 1 more orbit is really going to cripple us. I'd push here.

Edit: if BB calls with 23% (22, A2, KJo, K9s,QJs) and SB calls with 12% (44, A9o, A7s, KJs) the play is +0.9% EV.
If BB calls with 30% and sb 15%, it's still +0.4%. So, 30% and 15% for BB and SB is one threshold here.

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I've seen alot of ppl calling with much much wider ranges then that in the 22s, I think the ranges you have on BB and SB are pretty tight.

[Matt R.]

I don't think it's a push any 2, but I'd push with T6s. It's really close for me though, and I'd fold T6o. This is just gut instinct though... no sng analyzer for me yet.

Toss it. You'll see better during the level--at least JX.

[Isura]

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If halfbreed5 is even moderately tight, this is a push. I push much worse against a tightish big stack, and T6s is about top 50%, good enough to push imo.

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Really? I'm very surprised. If hero was small blind, yeah.. But he's the button /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Is this just your instinct or can you show some kind of 'proof'?

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Well, I haven't run the icm stuff on THIS example, but I've been playing with it a lot lately in this ITM situations. But generally when you get ITM, and you have 6bb or less, it's correct to push a lot of hands you would never push on the bubble, since your opponents at these low buyins will not loosen up enough on their calling ranges when ITM. Here, we have the smallest stack, and waiting around for 1 more orbit is really going to cripple us. I'd push here.

Edit: if BB calls with 23% (22, A2, KJo, K9s,QJs) and SB calls with 12% (44, A9o, A7s, KJs) the play is +0.9% EV.
If BB calls with 30% and sb 15%, it's still +0.4%. So, 30% and 15% for BB and SB is one threshold here.

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I've seen alot of ppl calling with much much wider ranges then that in the 22s, I think the ranges you have on BB and SB are pretty tight.

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I agree the ranges are tight, and I would probably fold this too. I was just illustrating that it's not a clear fold, and pushing can be profitable against the right opponents.

[tigerite]

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I would fold but it's definitely close for me.

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