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PTjvs
07-25-2005, 05:57 PM
Villian is a 39VPIP 9PFR% over a mere 60 hands. The pevious hand I had taken a decent pot from him with QQ vs KK. In that hand he had raised/called the 3bet preflop & bet/raised/called the cap & check/called down on a 3459T board.

Am I a fool for not folding this turn?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Qh Ah (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 11.75 BB. </font>

JVS

bungyrocks
07-25-2005, 06:04 PM
sure looks like he has a Q but I dont mind your call down here. If you raise the turn and fold to a 3 bet you invest the same number of bets but dont get a showdown.

L_Dude
07-25-2005, 06:08 PM
What does UTG's 3-bet after his PFR mean to you? AA, KK, QQ, AQ, KQ? Much less likely JJ-TT. I don't think you have a 1 in 6.75 chance of having more than 2 outs, even with the high VPIP. I think you can fold here.

07-25-2005, 06:14 PM
I think it's very clear that he has a Q here, but hey, most 2/4 players play A8s the same way.

crunchy1
07-25-2005, 06:17 PM
I think you should've lost at least 2 more BBs on the turn.

MrStretchie
07-25-2005, 06:22 PM
I don't think you're a fool for it, but I think it was wrong. Given his play, there's certainly at least an 80% chance you're behind to a queen (probably AQ), or maybe 88).

TripleH68
07-25-2005, 06:23 PM
With a drawless board I might call the flop 3-bet and look to raise a good turn card.

I lean toward folding. Most players will not be 3-betting this flop without at least TP.

Edit: To say please don't include results.

MrStretchie
07-25-2005, 06:25 PM
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I think you should've lost at least 2 more BBs on the turn.

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Seriously? After he raised UTG in a ten handed game, then led the turn after Hero capped the flop? This after he went passive with a QQ overpair after a capped flop? I could at least see a case for calling down, but there's no way he's got an underpair/nothing more often than a queen/AA/88 here..