J10s

[Fo10]

Read on villian is 19/4/2.14 over 76 hands.

Pacific Poker 5/10

Prelop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif 10/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO postes a blind of $5.
Folded to Hero who <font color="red">Raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Button Three Bets</font>, blinds fold and Hero calls.

Flop: (8.4 SB 2 players) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif
<font color="red">Hero Bets</font>, <font color="red">Button Raises</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">(Felt I should have three bet here to find out how good of a hand Button had, and to see if my ten and jacks outs were good. I have a ton of outs, would the three bet be for value?)</font>

Turn: (6.2 BB 2 players) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Whats my play?

[brettbrettr]

Why'd you bet the flop? Villan has a 76 AF? .76? 760?

Anyway, I'd probably check-call both the flop and the turn.

[Padawan Learner]

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Anyway, I'd probably check-call both the flop and the turn.

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I agree. If those numbers are over a decent sample size, you are virtually certain to be up against an overpair.

[Fo10]

My bad, the 76 is number of hands played, Aggression Factor is 2.14

[brettbrettr]

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My bad, the 76 is number of hands played, Aggression Factor is 2.14

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Does anyone hate going wa/wb here? Bet-fold the river ui?

[shant]

I'd like to checkraise this flop.

[Bodhi]

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(Felt I should have three bet here to find out how good of a hand Button had, and to see if my ten and jacks outs were good. I have a ton of outs, would the three bet be for value?)


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I like the line you actually took. 3 betting this flop is not for value if your opponent has a big PP because you are a big underdog. Also, 3-betting for information is very bad because you rarely 'learn' what you think you learn.

On the turn I check-call because we know the villain will raise again--we want to see the river cheaply. If the river doesn't make your flush, I still check-call because top pair is good but we want a cheap showdown. If you do make your flush, you can check-raise if your read is that the villain will definitely bet, but if that's questionable then just bet-out to make sure money goes in the pot.

[Fo10]

I felt the flop bet would hide my hand alittle more, than check calling and coming alive when the flush hit. Also with the gutshot straight draw and the small chance he has AK instead of a pair I don't mind putting two bets in on the flop.

[krimson]

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I felt the flop bet would hide my hand alittle more, than check calling and coming alive when the flush hit. Also with the gutshot straight draw and the small chance he has AK instead of a pair I don't mind putting two bets in on the flop.

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I wouldn't be too afraid of this. At 5/10 it would be difficult to tell the difference between a TAG value betting a flush and bluffing at it. I wouldn't be surprised if a donk-bet into a 3-flush gets raised again by 2-pair.

[droolie]

How can three betting the flop be for value? You are HU and almost certainly behind at this point. Your hand will improve by the river less than 50% of the time.

I check call the flop and turn (unless I hit my flush).
Bet/call the river unless it's a non-club A or K.

[JinX11]

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I like the line you actually took. 3 betting this flop is not for value if your opponent has a big PP because you are a big underdog.

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Not too big of an underdog, actually....if Villian has AA with A/images/graemlins/club.gif....

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1105800
pokenum -h jc tc - ah ac -- 7c 3c 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7c 3c 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Tc 422 42.63 568 57.37 0 0.00 0.426
Ac Ah 568 57.37 422 42.63 0 0.00 0.574

If no A/images/graemlins/club.gif, it's practically a coin toss...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1105801
pokenum -h jc tc - ah as -- 7c 3c 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7c 3c 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Tc 473 47.78 517 52.22 0 0.00 0.478
As Ah 517 52.22 473 47.78 0 0.00 0.522