4 handed PL J9s

[fsuplayer]

4 handed PL $2k game

utg (terrible L/P) limps, button (rwj123, hes a 45/6/1.5....so kinda weak passive, but not retarded.) minraises, sb folds, i call with J /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, utg calls.

flop: Q /images/graemlins/club.gif10 /images/graemlins/spade.gif6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

i check, utg bets $20, rwj123 calls, I call. im pretty sure utg has about nothing, and rwj most likely has a draw, maybe AK. most likely not KQ or an overpair. maybe a small chance of a set, though he's not a cronic slowplayer.

turn: K /images/graemlins/heart.gif

i chk, utg bets 20, rwj123 raises the full pot to $355, he has 1600 left after the raise.

whats my move here?

thanks?


fsuplayer

[xorbie]

His hand range is probably AJ, AK (would he really raise so big though?), J9, KJ, . I see no reason not to get all in here, because any J, 9, A or /images/graemlins/heart.gif makes one of you not so comfortable on the river.

How about making it like $900 here? Leave him with $1000 he has to call on the river, and make it look like a "resteal but with enough left to fold if he pushes" type raise. Unfortunatly, you give him 3:1 plus 5:1 in implied odds, which is just about exactly enough if he does happen to have /images/graemlins/heart.gif draw. You can also just raise pot and then push the tiny bit you have left on the river.

[hit_the_set]

Push. Having played with Villain before, she is more likely to payoff your straight here. What are the chances of villain having A J? I would think villain would raise more than the minimum from button with a hand like A J. More likely that villain has something like K Q or K 10!

[aggie]

I push. You're chances of getting called by a worse hand are far greater than your chances of running into AJ IMO

[Popinjay]

Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Are you seeing the same hand I'm seeing where OP has the second nuts?

[fsuplayer]

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Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move.

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you are joking right?

this is 4 handed.

the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question.

[Popinjay]

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Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move.

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you are joking right?

this is 4 handed.

the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question.

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Hey man you just wait until the results are posted. Then we'll see who's joking.

[TonyBlair]

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the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question

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Is this because you KNOW you are winning or because you can't fold this YET?

Personally I like to call here. Maybe I'm weak (though that's not my usual game) but calling here will give you a whole load of info with which to make your next decision. If I raise, it's all-in. I've been burnt in similar situation though. Yes, sometimes it just happens, but often there's a better way to go.

[fsuplayer]

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the question i was asking is raise or call. folding is out of the question

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Is this because you KNOW you are winning or because you can't fold this YET?


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well a little of both.

i have to play his range of hands that he could reasonably hold here.

if i call, its bc i think he only calls with the nuts and folds most everything else if I raise, including two pair hands.

if i raise, its bc I think its more likely that he'll call with hands that I beat.

if I raise and he folds everything but AJ and J9, then its not a good move, right? (assuming he doesnt have a draw a good amount of the time, which I dont think this player does).

[cero_z]

Hi PJ,

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Fold. You've got horrific pot odds against a passive player making a big move.

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No way, Boss. For you to say this, I almost think it's a joke, because you were watching the hand and know he had AJ this time or whatever. No way you can ever fold here in a 4-handed game. Why couldn't he have 2 pair? I'll re-raise, but probably not the max; I want to give this player a chance to call me, and then talk himself into calling on the river. The description of him doesn't lend itself to him having a flush draw, so we're in good shape here most of the time. Obviously, he might have AJ, but if so, we need to go bust.

[Yeti]

I just thought I'd point out that Popinjay has no idea of the results.

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Hey man you just wait until the results are posted. Then we'll see who's joking.

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I find this comment especially funny.

[edge]

I probably checkraise or bet out on the flop, but the way you played it, 1000 straight sounds good. I think a set or two pair is more likely than AJ.