Should i have pushed this? a,8 BB on bubble

[Olback]

Eurobet $33 sng

We had been on the bubble for a while and TFick37 had just lost a big pot to jambay the hand before. I wanted to push here but given that he had never limped before i figured he might have a monster. Even if he didn't i figured that he would call anyway. Also a1945 completing made me less happy about pushing.

Should i have pushed anyway?

#Game No : 2419844663
***** Hand History for Game 2419844663 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:14235920 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, July 25, 00:35:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 15016 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TFICK37 ( $750 )
Seat 2: a1945 ( $2380 )
Seat 5: Olback1 ( $1440 )
Seat 9: jambay ( $3430 )
Trny:14235920 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Olback1 [ As 8h ]
jambay folds.
TFICK37 calls [200].
a1945 calls [100].
Olback1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 6s, Qh ]
a1945 checks.
Olback1 checks.
TFICK37 is all-In [550]
a1945 folds.
Olback1 folds.
TFICK37 does not show cards.
TFICK37 wins 1150 chips
Game #2419848402 starts.

[The Yugoslavian]

The SB completing should make you more happy about pushing b/c now the other guy will feel he's in a situation where he could be allin 3 ways....which always sucks when you're the shortest stack. However, the SB is coming along for the ride and almost surely will fold.

Pushing seems good to me. I really doubt someone as short as $750 is trapping like this (altho he still might call...but you have plenty of FE, dead $$, and the best hand here).

Yugoslav

[Olback]

Ok thanks for the advice.

I see now in hindsight how much of a bad check that was.

[HesseJam]

Certainly looks scary enough for me to fold here. Preflop, I probably also would have called for the same reasons as you stated.

The button cannot afford to call 200 preflop with a weak holding. If he has a good holding like AJ or 99 he should definitely push here. He pushed before, so he would certainly push here. Yeah, looks like he had a big pair.

[HesseJam]

If I am short stacked and have a monster (AA, KK) I would play exactly the same as the button. I needed someone to make a move against me and I would love to have it 3-way.

[The Yugoslavian]

Well, if the OP really thinks it *very* weird the guy is limping I don't mind his play. So many players limp 'marginal' holdings that they don't feel are strong enough to push...and somehow they then will fold them in these situations.

I didn't really read the whole 'this guy never limps' or whatever....if that really is true then I don't mind the line as much. Most of the time he won't have a monster I'd imagine...even if this is how he plays his monsters.

Yugoslav

[SammyKid11]

No, short stack has only 3.75xBB. I'd say you're about as likely to get a fold as if you were CO (considering both players have VP$IP and one or both could be slowplaying a big hand). I'd check, take the free flop and gauge it from there.

[Olback]

Well that was the dilemma i had. He could have had a monster and even if i raised he would more then likely call. Therefore if i pushed i either lose to a monster or i am a slight favourite.

On the flip side by not missing if i miss then he gets almost a free double up and he is no longer shorty.

So i think i should have pushed and hoped for the best.

[tigerite]

I think you played it fine, I would say you are called here way too often to make this a +EV move.

[Olback]

That was my theory but by playing it that way i allowed him to double up for free effectively and therefore made him into the same size stack as me. I was just curious if that was a bad move.

[tigerite]

Wouldn't it be worse to let him triple up by pushing and being called?

[Olback]

Yeah and hence the dilemma and why i am seeking opinions on what the correct move here would be.

[tigerite]

By the way the SB completing has no bearing on my decision at all, if he had folded I'd still just check here. I can't see anyone being stupid enough to put so much of their stack in, on a limp, and not call a push.

[lastchance]

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By the way the SB completing has no bearing on my decision at all, if he had folded I'd still just check here. I can't see anyone being stupid enough to put so much of their stack in, on a limp, and not call a push.

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Really, because I see it all the time.

Still, I guess checking is ok, especially since you're stabbing 70% of flops or so.

[ChuckNorris]

Easy, easy push. CO and SB will fold SO often, and when SB does call he's much more likely to have J9o than AA.