Online Poker

I have been playing at pokerstars for a while in the play money tournaments. I typically end up in the top 2 or 3 out of 45 most of the time which I thought wasnt too bad. So I thought, well If I consistantly win with the play money I might as well use real money. I started and did fairly well, I made 300% of my money in 4 hours. THen it happened... I did not get above a 10 of any suit in the next 300 hands. I got 2-3 4 times in a row. I would get 6-3, 7-2, and if I got a J I would get a 3. Im not going to accuse them of being rigged but what the hell. I just dont feel that Im getting the same odds as with a real deck of cards. I essentially went tilt off the cliff. what should I do, i love to play, dont have much of a bankroll, etc. I feel I am a pretty strong player but you cant do (*& with those kinds of cards. Is there a better online site?

300 hands is not very long to have cold cards, you're obviously playing way above your bankroll.

[WordWhiz]

I call BS. Total selective memory here. You may be running cold, but there's no way in hell you went 300 hands without a single good hand. From Super/System, page 580:

Odds of not holding a Pair or an Ace preflop for 50 straight hands: 87,897 to 1.

Also, if you're just making your jump from play money to real money, think that the site is to blame for your failure to win, and use weaselly double speak like "I'm not saying the site is rigged, but it just *feels* like I'm not getting the same odds as from a real deck of cards" (i.e., the deck is rigged), then you are *not*, repeat, *not* a "pretty strong player." Kick that delusion fast if you want to start improving your game.

Say I want to play with 50 bucks, what should I play.

[BZ_Zorro]

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So I thought, well If I consistantly win with the play money I might as well use real money.

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Mistake #1

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I made 300% of my money in 4 hours.

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Mistake #2

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Im not going to accuse them of being rigged but what the hell. I just dont feel that Im getting the same odds as with a real deck of cards.

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Red flag #1

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I essentially went tilt off the cliff.

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Mistake #3

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i love to play, dont have much of a bankroll, etc.

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Red flag #2

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I feel I am a pretty strong player but you cant do (*& with those kinds of cards.

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Reg flag #3

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Is there a better online site?

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If you want to be certain the cards are truly random, and secure...no, there isn't. Pokerstars is the best.

Pokerstars have very low buy in tournaments, limit and NL. Go play them, they'll be more like the play money tables that you're used to. Don't move up until you have $500 in your account. Search the forums and find out the proper bankroll for each level.

[smb394]

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Say I want to play with 50 bucks, what should I play.

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$.10/.20 fixed limit, or $1 SNGs.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

Welcome to 2+2. I look forward to seeing you on the rail.

[tubalkain]

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Say I want to play with 50 bucks, what should I play.

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Bingo

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I did not get above a 10 of any suit in the next 300 hands.

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I gotta call bullsh*t on this claim.

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Say I want to play with 50 bucks, what should I play.

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$.10/.20 fixed limit, or $1 SNGs.

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$0.10/$0.20 fixed limit is a good game to play for this bankroll. You can move to the $0.25/$0.50 fixed limit once you have $120 in your bankroll.

I'd advise against the $1 SNGs because the site charges you an exorbitant percentage to play them. A lot charge 20% ($0.20), my site charges 50% ($0.50). This is the case even though rake may be reasonable on normal tables and higher tournaments.

You can call BS all you want. Step back and think about this one genius. Why would I got to the trouble of trying to learn something and make something up. You can quote all the damn books you want. I dont GAS. How bout becoming a little more constructive, might make you as well as me a better poker player. That is why we are here. Not to hash out at newbies because you got beat up in high school. If you noticed wisea$% the other people posting are trying to help me, not crtiicize me. Of the 1000+ posts per day go find someone else to pi$% off. FU(*&NG loser.

[Quicksilvre]

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I did not get above a 10 of any suit in the next 300 hands.

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I gotta call bullsh*t on this claim.

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That pretty much sums up my opinion.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

You would go to the trouble of making something up for the same reason 90% of all poker players are break even or very small losers.

[augie00]

You don't have to worry. It is not rigged. Chances are, you just suck.

[ds914]

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You can quote all the damn books you want. I dont GAS.

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Be sure not to take the dealer's bust card if you're playing third base.

Seriously... you've got understand that most of the people who post here aren't your average players. Not only do they know and quote all the damn books, they're highly qualified (and winning) players... and some of 'em even wrote the books.

And as you've noticed, they're pretty blunt. However, if you do a little studying, post honest and accurate stats and situations and grow a thick skin, you'll learn a ton from them. Really.

[MicroBob]

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I typically end up in the top 2 or 3 out of 45 most of the time

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I did not get above a 10 of any suit in the next 300 hands

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exaggeration will get you nowhere.
seriously...what's the point?





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Im not going to accuse them of being rigged but what the hell. I just dont feel that Im getting the same odds as with a real deck of cards

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you just accused them of being rigged.



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dont have much of a bankroll

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you can either play above your bankroll and likely lose it all....or you can play within your bankroll, try to build it up, and actually have a chance of succeeding.
your choice.


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I feel I am a pretty strong player

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you are NOT a strong player.
I'm not kidding.
I know it sounds mean but it is VERY obviously the truth based on the content of this one post. Seriously.


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Is there a better online site?

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better than pokerstars?? imo...Nope. Stars is the best site out there imo but this is in terms of quality of tournaments and customer-service, etc.

If you are asking if there is a site where the cards run 'more realistically' or 'more randomly' than they do at Stars then the answer is still 'no'. They are all the same.

[Guthrie]

Stick with play money. You're a winner there.

[jman220]

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You don't have to worry. It is not rigged. Chances are, you just suck.

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I haven't laughed out loud at a post in a long time. You are the man.

[jman220]

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Of the 1000+ posts per day go find someone else to pi$% off. FU(*&NG loser.

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Red Flag Number Four. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a fish!

[jman220]

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You don't have to worry. It is not rigged. Chances are, you just suck.

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I haven't laughed out loud at a post in a long time. You are the man.

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Say my posts are useless the day you start posting something other than online poker ass-kissing.

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Sounds like someone lost a bundle at the Bowman's sportsbook today.

[MicroBob]

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Party is also pretty much rigged according to what I heard.

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Yup. I've heard this too. Over and over and over.
Mostly from morons (okay okay...ENTIRELY from morons).

Allright lets just end this post for real.

[jman220]

for real, for real?

[adamstewart]

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I feel I am a pretty strong player

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Who else found this refreshing? /images/graemlins/grin.gif Poker is alive and well.....




Adam

[dcasper70]

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Ryan, I've had some pretty steady streaks of dead cards. Where I go 50-100 hands without a playable hand, and when a playable hand does finally show up, it promptly gets beat.

It really does kinda shake you faith in the random card generator on the online sites. I can only hope to outlast the dead cards. In which case I drop down to micro-limit, just play ring tables and camp out waiting for my cards. Tournaments aren't good if you're having a long streak of garbage hands, because the rising blinds will bleed you to death.

But I've had the dead streaks on different online sites (never this bad in a casino), so it isn't just one site.

[Master5hake]

50 to 100? I guess you were counting pretty closely -

get a life - you lose the same reason I lose online, you stink at cards

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50 to 100? I guess you were counting pretty closely -

get a life - you lose the same reason I lose online, you stink at cards

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You sound like a 12 year old. Out of school on summer vacation?

I don't have to count. I hit the "player stats" button and it tells me.

But perhaps you can elighten us all on how to play hands like 73o, Q3o, 62s, J5o, 94s on a 10-seat table? Because I'm sure a few of us crappy players would like to know.

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But perhaps you can elighten us all on how to play hands like 73o, Q3o, 62s, J5o, 94s on a 10-seat table? Because I'm sure a few of us crappy players would like to know.

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Fold preflop.

Isn't that simple?

[jman220]

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Ryan, I've had some pretty steady streaks of dead cards. Where I go 50-100 hands without a playable hand, and when a playable hand does finally show up, it promptly gets beat.

It really does kinda shake you faith in the random card generator on the online sites. I can only hope to outlast the dead cards. In which case I drop down to micro-limit, just play ring tables and camp out waiting for my cards. Tournaments aren't good if you're having a long streak of garbage hands, because the rising blinds will bleed you to death.

But I've had the dead streaks on different online sites (never this bad in a casino), so it isn't just one site.

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This is bad advice. Every hand dealt is an independent event from the previous hand. There is no way to identify a "streak" until it has already happenned. And just because you have gotten bad cards for the last 100 hands doesn't mean you won't suddenly get good cards. Dropping down to micro limits to await the end of a "bad streak" is an absurd proposition. If you think this way, you shouldn't be playing poker. If you just got 3 flush draws in a row and they all hit, do you not play the fourth one because it is less likely to hit? Do you overplay the fourth one because you're "hot?" If your answer to either of those was yes, you need to seriously re-evaluate your game.

[jman220]

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I didn't play in the sportsbook today and I don't mind losing to the book either.

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Except when Steinbrenner rigs it so that the Yankees hit no homeruns, right? Or were you just in a worse mood than normal that day? That was a classic.

[Me and You]

Ok so you trippled your bankroll. $50 I assume. so that makes you at $150 with this bankroll you should be playing no higher than .25-.50 therefore the next 300 hands you got nothing so therefore folded everyhand. assuming 10 players per hand which is usually the norm at these low limits. Therefore you folded 300 hands making it 30 rounds of blinds that you lost from folding all these hands. 30 X .40 = $12 therfore you total is $138 this is a 272% increase on your initial investment money. So what is the problem?

Seriously you are doing well.

Cheers

Liam

[jman220]

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1. I do not touch Yankees games because it is the highest team in terms of probability of rigging.

and 2. I am not sure to what level baseball is rigged. Definately not 100% clean but definately cleaner than Online Poker.

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But perhaps you can elighten us all on how to play hands like 73o, Q3o, 62s, J5o, 94s on a 10-seat table? Because I'm sure a few of us crappy players would like to know.

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Fold preflop.

Isn't that simple?

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lol

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Ryan, I've had some pretty steady streaks of dead cards. Where I go 50-100 hands without a playable hand, and when a playable hand does finally show up, it promptly gets beat.

It really does kinda shake you faith in the random card generator on the online sites. I can only hope to outlast the dead cards. In which case I drop down to micro-limit, just play ring tables and camp out waiting for my cards. Tournaments aren't good if you're having a long streak of garbage hands, because the rising blinds will bleed you to death.

But I've had the dead streaks on different online sites (never this bad in a casino), so it isn't just one site.

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This is bad advice. Every hand dealt is an independent event from the previous hand. There is no way to identify a "streak" until it has already happenned. And just because you have gotten bad cards for the last 100 hands doesn't mean you won't suddenly get good cards. Dropping down to micro limits to await the end of a "bad streak" is an absurd proposition. If you think this way, you shouldn't be playing poker. If you just got 3 flush draws in a row and they all hit, do you not play the fourth one because it is less likely to hit? Do you overplay the fourth one because you're "hot?" If your answer to either of those was yes, you need to seriously re-evaluate your game.

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jman, instead of just saying, "you're wrong", how about offering a solution? Lets say you've gone 50-100 hands with garbage. How do you play it? I sit there folding the garbage and try to steal an occasonal pot. If it stays garbage long enough, I'll drop to a lower game. That might be wrong, but that's all my limited experience suggests I do.

What do you think is the correct strategy?

[aargh57]

Keep folding. I don't get what you don't understand about jman's post. If you're playing a ring game then you just keep playing the same game. If you're in a tournament you may have to eventually take some gambles with sub par hands. Your decisions based on your limited experience is wrong. Perhaps you should stay at levels you're comfortable with. Going up or down a level will not change the cards you are getting. Just as jman said "Every hand dealt is an independent event from the previous hand".