Huge Action w/ AA 10/20 NL

[KaneKungFu123]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($4311.50)
UTG ($4242)
UTG+1 (Loose Caller)/ ($3065.50)
MP1 ($625)
MP2 (Fish, Dead Money)/ ($992.50)
MP3 ($1970)
CO : (Loose Passive Caller)/ ($3298.50)
Button ($1902)
Hero ($4326.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, UTG+1 (Loose Caller)/ calls $20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 /images/graemlins/frown.gifFish, Dead Money)/ raises to $45</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (Loose Passive Caller)/ calls $45, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $135</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 /images/graemlins/frown.gifLoose Caller)/ calls $125, MP2 /images/graemlins/frown.gifFish, Dead Money)/ calls $100, CO /images/graemlins/frown.gifLoose Passive Caller)/ calls $100.

Flop: ($620) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, Loose Caller calls $100, Fish, Dead Money calls $847.50 (All-In), Loose Passive Caller calls $847.50

[Yeti]

Sort your post out. That is a 'mare to read.

[Entity]

I'm really curious about your 1/6 flop bet (I'm not a NL player). It looks like you're getting around 3:1 to guess that you have the best hand or will draw out to the best hand, and it seems like Dead Money might make this play with TT-QQ given your weak flop lead, so I'd call.

Of course, this is why I don't play NL. I don't fully understand the game. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

[AZK]

I normally bet smaller on a paired board when I hold AA/KK, maybe not 1/6, but small, your opponents are drawing very slim on a board like this, or you are drawing to 2 outs, no real reason to pump

[Entity]

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I normally bet smaller on a paired board when I hold AA/KK, maybe not 1/6, but small, your opponents are drawing very slim on a board like this, or you are drawing to 2 outs, no real reason to pump

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I'd usually bet about 1/2 pot here, but maybe that's too much. I'm interested to hear how much you'd bet, and I do understand the reasoning.

What would your flop play amount to after this?

Rob

[mgsimpleton]

the tricky thing is that your hand is so well defined preflop and loose passive is so deep. his cold call suggests a 9, so the question is if you just call here, will he try to take it away on the turn? you are OOP and if you call, you probably have to check this turn in order not to pot commit yourself (if you're not already pot committed which is of course debatable). if you can be sure without a 9 he will check behind turn and with a 9 he will bet turn then you can call but that's an unlikely thing to be sure of, i'd probably fold given the deep stack and just weird situation though i'm like 40% convinced you're behind.

[snappo]

Shouldn't you make it more preflop, like $200? Especially with the worst position.

[radioheadfan]

I would check this flop. You're way ahead or way behind so letting a free one off doesn't really matter much. You may induce bets from worse hands on the flop or let them catch up on the turn. You also don't build a big pot when you're behind to trips or a boat (although I suppose the pot is already pretty huge to begin with).

Tough call on the flop. But I'd probably call and live with the results given your description of the players.

[fsuplayer]

you need to raise alot more pf.

[creedofhubris]

It's an easy call of Deadmoney, but you knew that.

The presence of two any-2 guys with huge stacks in this pot messes with my head.

I don't think I'm folding, but I'm unhappy. And I'm not raising.

[RollaJ]

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you need to raise alot more pf.

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pf raise and flop bet made me cringe

[kagame]

i dont see how the flop bet is so bad, Hero gets a ton of information fairly cheaply

easy fold w/o a pat read

[Prevaricator]

I agree. Typically i reraise the pot amount pf, it looks like you didn't charge them enough while giving too much info of your hand (this play could be okay if you did it with a lot of stuff though). I think if its isolated and it looks like a big pair to them then you gotta give it up even if you fold the winner some of the time.

[man]

preflop has got to be more.. what was your plan with this raise? make it 200 to hopefully knock out CO.

against these opponents the $100 on the flop seems all right, but it normally screams "bluff me" to more aggressive players. once you're raised, I am not enthusiastic about going any further with this hand with loose passive still with 2000ish behind, and out of position. it seems like a clear fold.

[ChewyMint]

I just don't see a fold here. If the loose passive caller is as bad as you make him out to be, wouldn't he call all his chips if you come over the top with a hand like KK/QQ/JJ/TT? Even if you lose the main pot, you are making money from the side-pot if you get him to commit his chips. I just can't see folding here, with it being so unlikely that anyone holds a 9. I would bet that your hand is good much more often than you think.

ChewyMint

[KaneKungFu123]

yeah, i didnt realize everyone was so deep pre-flop.

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I agree. Typically i reraise the pot amount pf, it looks like you didn't charge them enough while giving too much info of your hand (this play could be okay if you did it with a lot of stuff though). I think if its isolated and it looks like a big pair to them then you gotta give it up even if you fold the winner some of the time.

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