Doesn't multitabling put you at a huge disadvantage?

[skierdude1000]

When I play my STTs, I pay super close attention to the players and make a lot of reads and get a lot of information from them. I've tried single tabling while reading news watching TV, listening to music, and going on AIM, and it kills like half of my game because I can't make as good plays based on players.

So my question to those of you who multitable, how are you able to play so effectively?

I doubt I'd be able to keep any ROI higher than .6 if I multitabled.

[raptor517]

my roi decreases playing 12 tables, sure. but my hourly rate goes up quite a bit, so i do it. holla

[ajohnson16]

Its a pro/con argument. While it might be a con for the reasons you've mentioned, multitabling can be a big pro because you'll be more selective on your hands and you'll play more premium hands than if you were single-tabling.

I don't have the concentration to multi-table big tournaments, so I usually play two 11s (one OTT and one HU)... It's gone pretty decent for me...

[morgan180]

STTs for the most part are very formulaic - if you play by the formula you can play many of them very successfully at once. i play 3 at once so that i don't "get bored" and try to "create action" when there is none, plus i look at it like earnings/hour instead of winning or losing which keeps me off tilt.

[runner4life7]

I 8 table, watch my roommate 2 table play the guitar watch tv and listen to music or whatever. I dont think it really changes my play. If i played fewer tables I would try and get "fancy" and me doign that is -EV.

[skierdude1000]

but how are you able to read people and outplay them?

[runner4life7]

i dont do too much of that, maybe thats -EV. I only really take note of anything that stands out to be really stupid other than that I dont play much different from player to player. I outplay them by poooooooooshing better.

[morgan180]

most people at the levels i play (11s) don't need to be 'outplayed' they outplay themselves.

[HonestIago15]

A very large percentage of play in STT is based almost entirely on math and very, very little on player reads. Playing fewer tables can make you play slightly better because you make fewer mistakes and can judge close calls based on player reads, but the point everyone is trying to is that since the ultimate goal here is to make money, your HOURLY RATE is what matters, not your ROI. Consider this example:

4-tabling:
ROI 35% at the 20+2's. Estimating that you can play approximately 5 tournaments an hour doing this,

(5 * 22) * .35 = $38.50 per hour


8-tabling:
ROI 25% at the 20+2 tables. Assuming that you can play 9 an hour doing this (probably conservative),

(22 * 9) * .25 = $49.50 an hour.

So you make an extra $10 hourly, even though your ROI is a whole 10 % less. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[pokerlaw]

I 4-table and in the beginning of the tourney I pay really close attention to betting patterns (since I am folding 90% of the time) and try to make quick notes on some of the players. nothing too fancy (loose, tight, overbets the pot, slowplays, etc), but I find I usually have some kind of a note on about 30%-50% of the players by level 2.

Even 4 tabling, its possible to get generalized reads on players styles. Its not perfect, but the increased $$/hr, as well as not wasting an hour playing 1 tournament only to have my QQ get sucked out on the bubble, makes it worthwhile overall.

[raptor517]

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but how are you able to read people and outplay them?

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dont need to. learn perfect icm math for when the blinds get big and u can do very well with just that. thats why you can play so many tables and not see yer roi go down that much. holla

[curtains]

Actually thats not true, even while 8 tabling I can very easily see into my opponents souls.

[The Don]

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Actually thats not true, even while 8 tabling I can very easily see into my opponents souls.

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Haha... seriously though if you 8 table in sets then you can really concentrate toward then end when it is really necessary.

[curtains]

Yeah its true, I get plenty of reads when I play, especially late, and if I know the player I'm involved with I always realize it, or if I have a note on them or whatever.

[skierdude1000]

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but how are you able to read people and outplay them?

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dont need to. learn perfect icm math for when the blinds get big and u can do very well with just that. thats why you can play so many tables and not see yer roi go down that much. holla

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So I guess you don't need to be really any good at poker to do well in SNGs, just be able to be a machine.

My problem with multitabling is I have yet to see anyone sustain an ROI higher than like .5 when they multitable, yet its very doable when you single table. Although, multtitabling clearly is the way to make more money/hr

[Newt_Buggs]

uhh, a really good player getting a 50% ROI in a PP $215 single tabeling? I doubt it.

[Taraz]

A 50% ROI at any level is just not possible regardless of whether or not you are multi-tabling. Maaaaaaaybe at the $11s if you single table, but it is definitely not "very doable" as you say.

Does anybody know of anyone who has gotten 50% ROI over a sample of more than 1000 sngs?

[wiggs73]

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So I guess you don't need to be really any good at poker to do well in SNGs, just be able to be a machine.


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Basically. Let's say you fire up 4-8 SNGs at once. You're playing so tight early, that you're mostly checking the "fold" box on all the tables. When you get a hand big enough to play (for Gigabet and a few others, read: a random hand that you decide to play), you can concentrate on it because it's probably the only table you're playing a hand on anyway.

Late game strategy in SNGs becomes a collection of push-fold situations that are usually trivial for those that have played enough. Of course, there are exceptions, but for the most part this is true.

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My problem with multitabling is I have yet to see anyone sustain an ROI higher than like .5 when they multitable, yet its very doable when you single table. Although, multtitabling clearly is the way to make more money/hr

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I assume you mean .5% ...? If not, this statement is kind of funny. If you, or anyone you know, has a ROI of 50% single-tabling it's because you / they haven't played enough SNGs single tabling to get an idea of what your true ROI actually is.

[Phill S]

I assumed he was expressing ROI as a % and not a decimal

I also assumed it was uneccassary for 3 people to jump on him because of this.

Phill

[Iamafish]

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My problem with multitabling is I have yet to see anyone sustain an ROI higher than like .5 when they multitable, yet its very doable when you single table.

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Basically, the reason this isnt possible is becuase it would take like 3 years playing full time to get enough data to know this. And Im sure its not possible, even in the 11's.

Edit: Yeah, other posts said basically the same.

[Freudian]

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My problem with multitabling is I have yet to see anyone sustain an ROI higher than like .5 when they multitable, yet its very doable when you single table. Although, multtitabling clearly is the way to make more money/hr

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I think you dramtically overrate how much a top players game would change if he singletabled instead of multitabled. The majority of plays would be exactly the same and the ROI would be roughly the same, although probably slightly higher.

There is a natural ceiling to how high ROI you can have that isn't really related to how well you play. It has everything to do with a) luck/bad luck will still be a factor no matter how well you play b) your opponents will also catch good cards, even if they are morans.

[Slim Pickens]

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I 8 table, watch my roommate 2 table play the guitar watch tv and listen to music or whatever. I dont think it really changes my play. If i played fewer tables I would try and get "fancy" and me doign that is -EV.

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Yeah, and you hold up the game too.

[sng-sam]

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most people at the levels i play (11s) don't need to be 'outplayed' they outplay themselves.

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Obi Won has taught you well. I concur