Q8s Play Along [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

SippinSoma

07-23-2005, 08:09 PM

Only read is CO. Very loose, usually passive. However, I've seen him get tricky (checkraising a gutshot when a flush draw came in), but I've shown down several premium hands against him. I'm pretty sure he respects my play. Holla.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero...

flawless_victory

07-23-2005, 08:45 PM

rasie it.
raise it.
raise it.

ArturiusX

07-23-2005, 09:08 PM

I fold.

TiltsMcFabulous

07-23-2005, 09:23 PM

Fold and it isn't even close.

~ Tilts

Redd

07-23-2005, 09:48 PM

Without reads, I'd probably limp in behind him. Given the fact that he's really bad, I would isolation raise.

brettbrettr

07-23-2005, 09:53 PM

Does CO fold? Blinds?

ArturiusX

07-23-2005, 09:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Without reads, I'd probably limp in behind him. Given the fact that he's really bad, I would isolation raise.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hate limping even more, we want to fold Q9o and K8o.

Redd

07-23-2005, 10:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Without reads, I'd probably limp in behind him. Given the fact that he's really bad, I would isolation raise.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hate limping even more, we want to fold Q9o and K8o.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not positive, and I know it's "just a chart," but IIRC doesn't MEB's 6max pf chart recommend a limp in the button with one limper?

Piiop

07-23-2005, 10:19 PM

What are teh blinds like? You should probably raise. I love lamp.

RedZak

07-23-2005, 11:53 PM

I think this definately depends on the blinds. If a raise is likely to fold the blinds I raise here and isolate the CO, especially if you've shown down some premium hands already. If the blinds aren't folding to a raise I'm limping.

chief444

07-24-2005, 12:42 AM

Easy raise.

dealer_toe

07-24-2005, 01:17 AM

[ QUOTE ]
What are teh blinds like? You should probably raise. I love lamp.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree, and that reference just made my night, lol

SippinSoma

07-24-2005, 11:55 AM

I knew it was between raising and calling. No reads on the blinds, so I just limped. I discussed it with a couple people though and I'm now convinced this is an easy raise. On to the next street.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, CO calls, Hero...

brettbrettr

07-24-2005, 11:59 AM

Looks like an easy call to me.

Piiop

07-24-2005, 03:59 PM

Call, turn a black 8, raise SB's bet, river the Q of diamonds, checked to you, you bet, you're checkraised by a flush, you 3-bet, SB comes along because he can't lay down an overpair, you win. Poker is easy.

chief444

07-24-2005, 04:32 PM

Call

admiralfluff

07-24-2005, 04:49 PM

reads on the blinds are extremely important in these situations. Different combinations of blinds will determine whether I raise, fold, or sometimes even call with these types of hands.

SippinSoma

07-24-2005, 10:57 PM

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero...

Entity

07-24-2005, 11:02 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd fold.

chief444

07-24-2005, 11:15 PM

I'd give up on this one.

PokerBob

07-24-2005, 11:18 PM

i think raising is a little better than the other options, but not much better. I really don't think it matters all that much here what you do.

PokerBob

07-24-2005, 11:19 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero...

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah....too much bad stuff can (or already did) happen.

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 02:57 AM

This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

baronzeus

07-25-2005, 03:02 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Fold and it isn't even close.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

I disagree, it's close, since it's 6handed and you own the button. I generally raise against a bad CO or call against bad blinds.

flawless_victory

07-25-2005, 06:06 AM

Evan

07-25-2005, 08:29 AM

[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold and it isn't even close.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please stop writing absolultes that aren't even true.

sfer

07-25-2005, 09:27 AM

[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

SippinSoma

07-25-2005, 10:40 AM

Tilts, you'll love this.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

It's between folding and raising. If the bet came from SB or BB (unknowns), I'm folding. But I have a read on CO that he could be betting as low as a singleton diamond, oesd, gutshot, or weak two or eight. Yes he can have a made flush or a weak ten, but I have a good chance of folding out SB and BB. Also, if CO is paying any attention at all, he respects my play and I will rarely get 3-bet here even by a flush. I have more to say, but the beach is calling.

River: (12 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero...

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 03:05 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 03:06 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold and it isn't even close.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please stop writing absolultes that aren't even true.

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay, when I do that you can let me know and I'll stop.

Folding Q8s here preflop is an absolute no-brainer, no questions asked.

~ Tilts

brettbrettr

07-25-2005, 03:07 PM

ChrisDow?

sfer

07-25-2005, 05:34 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 05:39 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. But you post a lot of junk on here along with some good stuff.

~ Tilts

chief444

07-25-2005, 05:45 PM

No. Chris was controversial but at least understood poker.

sfer

07-25-2005, 05:48 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. But you post a lot of junk on here along with some good stuff.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Someday you'll learn that limping behind terrible players with marginal hands might be a small mistake, it's rarely "pretty crummy." But what do I know, I don't call MP1 raises with AJo from the BB.

CallMeIshmael

07-25-2005, 05:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
The-Matador?

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

B Dids

07-25-2005, 06:00 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold and it isn't even close.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please stop writing absolultes that aren't even true.

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay, when I do that you can let me know and I'll stop.

Folding Q8s here preflop is an absolute no-brainer, no questions asked.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

So on top of being needlessly trollish and argumentative, you're throwing in a dash of being horribly wrong?

FWIW- I think a big part of good content moderation on the part of the moderators would be take posts like this and explain why they're both inappropriate and contain incorrect advice. Nobody wins when people can foam at the mouth like this and share opinions that are fundamentally incorrect.

jason_t

07-25-2005, 06:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The-Matador?

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

[/ QUOTE ]

Please, my character The-Matador was much better than TiltsMcFabulous. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 06:03 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. But you post a lot of junk on here along with some good stuff.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Someday you'll learn that limping behind terrible players with marginal hands might be a small mistake, it's rarely "pretty crummy." But what do I know, I don't call MP1 raises with AJo from the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you don't, then you're making a mistake in 99.9% of games at small stakes.

I find it hilarious that you're defending a button limp with Q8 (which is totally absurd, it is a clear raise/fold if you're going to play it, which you shouldn't) and attacking my BB defense with AJ (you're not joking, right? you actually think I should have folded AJ in the BB facing an MP raise and one caller in a Party SS game?!).

That's what I meant about "pretty crummy" stuff. Your ego gets in the way of good poker advice far too often and you attack posters or their posts illogically.

~ Tilts

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 06:09 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold and it isn't even close.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please stop writing absolultes that aren't even true.

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay, when I do that you can let me know and I'll stop.

Folding Q8s here preflop is an absolute no-brainer, no questions asked.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

So on top of being needlessly trollish and argumentative, you're throwing in a dash of being horribly wrong?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sure thing. First, it's a clear raise/fold. Calling is pretty dreadful, and I hope everyone can see that at least.

Next, raising is wrong. You're raising a weak player who has a good chance of having you beat right now (any A,K PP, or better Q), you still have two players to act behind you (blinds DO get hands), and you're in an obvious isolation position so if the blinds are at all awake they won't give you much credit and you'll be in a 3+ player pot with a shi[/i]t hand. It is a poor play, and nobody on here has yet to defend it with any sort of reasoning. Instead they say things like "one day you'll learn" (a la sfer) or "you're horribly wrong" (a la yourself).

~ Tilts

meep_42

07-25-2005, 06:10 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

[/ QUOTE ]

there's only one way to settle this...

DANCE OFF! (http://secretninjahideout.homestead.com/conventionadventure3/mackthrust.jpg)

-d

B Dids

07-25-2005, 06:12 PM

Please edit this page stretching image before it's too late.

meep_42

07-25-2005, 06:19 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Please edit this page stretching image before it's too late.

[/ QUOTE ]

Get a better screen resolution. :P

-d

DeeJ

07-25-2005, 06:30 PM

You are The-Matador/CinnamonWind/PuppyKicker/Lansing and I claim my $5.

chief444

07-25-2005, 06:36 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Next, raising is wrong. You're raising a weak player who has a good chance of having you beat right now (any A,K PP, or better Q), you still have two players to act behind you (blinds DO get hands), and you're in an obvious isolation position so if the blinds are at all awake they won't give you much credit and you'll be in a 3+ player pot with a [censored] hand. It is a poor play, and nobody on here has yet to defend it with any sort of reasoning. Instead they say things like "one day you'll learn" (a la sfer) or "you're horribly wrong" (a la yourself).

[/ QUOTE ]

What about an equity advantage against a loose limper/the blinds + position + ability to outplay them postflop? Good enough reason to not fold?

Now where's your reasoning for saying it's a clear fold? I won't hold my breath.

BTW I still think raising is better but I really don't mind the limp after running a quick simulation. I just prefer taking an aggressive approach in this situation.

CallMeIshmael

07-25-2005, 07:02 PM

[ QUOTE ]
You are The-Matador/CinnamonWind/PuppyKicker/Lansing and I claim my $5.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just to note is that DMB claimed this a few weeks ago.

B Dids

07-25-2005, 07:19 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Please edit this page stretching image before it's too late.

[/ QUOTE ]

Get a better screen resolution. :P

-d

[/ QUOTE ]

Blame my work, it's their fault.

I'm also a web nit who thinks everything should still be done to work in 800 X 600. /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

sfer

07-25-2005, 07:24 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. But you post a lot of junk on here along with some good stuff.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Someday you'll learn that limping behind terrible players with marginal hands might be a small mistake, it's rarely "pretty crummy." But what do I know, I don't call MP1 raises with AJo from the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you don't, then you're making a mistake in 99.9% of games at small stakes.

I find it hilarious that you're defending a button limp with Q8 (which is totally absurd, it is a clear raise/fold if you're going to play it, which you shouldn't) and attacking my BB defense with AJ (you're not joking, right? you actually think I should have folded AJ in the BB facing an MP raise and one caller in a Party SS game?!).

That's what I meant about "pretty crummy" stuff. Your ego gets in the way of good poker advice far too often and you attack posters or their posts illogically.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Fair enough. 4 folds, MP1 raise, which somehow means the button. My bad. You still effed the hand up because AJo is an easy 3-bet in that spot. As is AT.

sfer

07-25-2005, 07:26 PM

Someday you'll learn that money in shorthanded games is made by squeezing/saving BBs on the turn and river, and not by finding ways to avoid marginal hands against donkeys. Actually, you probably won't.

SippinSoma

07-25-2005, 07:54 PM

I checked behind and MHWG. Continue flaming Tilts.

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 10:47 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is the sort of thing that happens when you call with Q8s preflop, even in a shorthanded game.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

If your action on the turn is, "I'm totally out of my element; I have no idea," don't write something different.

[/ QUOTE ]

I do have an idea. He should raise the turn.

But it's a highly marginal play occassioned by pretty crummy preflop play.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, now I get it. I'm like your enemy?

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. But you post a lot of junk on here along with some good stuff.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Someday you'll learn that limping behind terrible players with marginal hands might be a small mistake, it's rarely "pretty crummy." But what do I know, I don't call MP1 raises with AJo from the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you don't, then you're making a mistake in 99.9% of games at small stakes.

I find it hilarious that you're defending a button limp with Q8 (which is totally absurd, it is a clear raise/fold if you're going to play it, which you shouldn't) and attacking my BB defense with AJ (you're not joking, right? you actually think I should have folded AJ in the BB facing an MP raise and one caller in a Party SS game?!).

That's what I meant about "pretty crummy" stuff. Your ego gets in the way of good poker advice far too often and you attack posters or their posts illogically.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Fair enough. 4 folds, MP1 raise, which somehow means the button. My bad. You still effed the hand up because AJo is an easy 3-bet in that spot. As is AT.

[/ QUOTE ]

An easy 3-bet? No. The MP raiser and the caller were unkowns. I am not 3 betting him with AJ out of position *with a caller in between us*.

The call is easy, but if you are 3 betting AJo against unknowns in a multiway pot OOP, you're spraying.

~ Tilts

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 10:48 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I checked behind and MHWG. Continue flaming Tilts.

[/ QUOTE ]

You find the results of the hand relevant to the discuss of your dreadful preflop call? That's fish talk, so, um, congrats I guess.

~ Tilts

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 10:50 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Someday you'll learn that money in shorthanded games is made by squeezing/saving BBs on the turn and river, and not by finding ways to avoid marginal hands against donkeys. Actually, you probably won't.

[/ QUOTE ]

What I have already learned is that playing marginal hands in SH games is a good way to cost oneself bets on the turn and river, so I guess I'll "save" myself those bets by proper preflop play then. You have fun playing Q8 against me.

~ Tilts

sfer

07-25-2005, 11:08 PM

[ QUOTE ]

An easy 3-bet? No. The MP raiser and the caller were unkowns. I am not 3 betting him with AJ out of position *with a caller in between us*.

The call is easy, but if you are 3 betting AJo against unknowns in a multiway pot OOP, you're spraying.

[/ QUOTE ]

MP or button? If it's the button and an unknown, it's easy and you're wrong. Thinking that the caller makes it worse for you to raise with what is often a dominating hand in a blind steal makes clear that you are lost.

sfer

07-25-2005, 11:11 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Someday you'll learn that money in shorthanded games is made by squeezing/saving BBs on the turn and river, and not by finding ways to avoid marginal hands against donkeys. Actually, you probably won't.

[/ QUOTE ]

What I have already learned is that playing marginal hands in SH games is a good way to cost oneself bets on the turn and river, so I guess I'll "save" myself those bets by proper preflop play then. You have fun playing Q8 against me.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Players like you are great. Thanks for the button twice per orbit.

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 11:12 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

An easy 3-bet? No. The MP raiser and the caller were unkowns. I am not 3 betting him with AJ out of position *with a caller in between us*.

The call is easy, but if you are 3 betting AJo against unknowns in a multiway pot OOP, you're spraying.

[/ QUOTE ]

MP or button? If it's the button and an unknown, it's easy and you're wrong. Thinking that the caller makes it worse for you to raise with what is often a dominating hand in a blind steal makes clear that you are lost.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was MP. And yes the caller makes it worse when it's an MP raise.

Do you ever give up? This is laughable.

~ Tilts

sfer

07-25-2005, 11:13 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I checked behind and MHWG. Continue flaming Tilts.

[/ QUOTE ]

You find the results of the hand relevant to the discuss of your dreadful preflop call? That's fish talk, so, um, congrats I guess.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Thinking that raising > folding > calling with just about any hand on the button after a CO donky open-limp is totally retarded.

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 11:13 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Someday you'll learn that money in shorthanded games is made by squeezing/saving BBs on the turn and river, and not by finding ways to avoid marginal hands against donkeys. Actually, you probably won't.

[/ QUOTE ]

What I have already learned is that playing marginal hands in SH games is a good way to cost oneself bets on the turn and river, so I guess I'll "save" myself those bets by proper preflop play then. You have fun playing Q8 against me.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Players like you are great. Thanks for the button twice per orbit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why? Because you'll limp in with junk and I'll fold junk? Atta go.

~ Tilts

sfer

07-25-2005, 11:16 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

An easy 3-bet? No. The MP raiser and the caller were unkowns. I am not 3 betting him with AJ out of position *with a caller in between us*.

The call is easy, but if you are 3 betting AJo against unknowns in a multiway pot OOP, you're spraying.

[/ QUOTE ]

MP or button? If it's the button and an unknown, it's easy and you're wrong. Thinking that the caller makes it worse for you to raise with what is often a dominating hand in a blind steal makes clear that you are lost.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was MP. And yes the caller makes it worse when it's an MP raise.

Do you ever give up? This is laughable.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's the hand. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=smallholdem&Number=295 6382&Forum=,,All_Forums,,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limi t=25&Main=2956382&Search=true&where=&Name=39200&da terange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype= &bodyprev=#Post2956382)

Here's the action:

"Party Poker (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, MP1 (unkown) raises, SB (unkown) calls, Hero calls."

The action says button, you said steal. Now you say MP. What's the story. Either you coldcalled an MP raise with a dominated hand or you didn't 3-bet for value with a dominating hand against a likely button steal.

EDIT: While you run to Mid/High for validation, be a chum and make clear whether MP1 is 4 off the button or on the button.

CallMeIshmael

07-25-2005, 11:17 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Do you ever give up ~ Tilts ? This is laughable.

[/ QUOTE ]

Rearranged your post.

clownshoes

07-25-2005, 11:45 PM

Alright Superman, Its pretty clear from your posts that you have perfect reads on every person you play against and that your preflop and postflop play are immaculate. Why even post here? You clearly dont take or want any advice. All youre doing is making sure everyone knows that youre an ignorant pompous prick with no skill.

So go continue murdering whatever limit you play and make sure your poker skillz are top notch by looking in the mirror and flexing every five minutes.

TiltsMcFabulous

07-25-2005, 11:46 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

An easy 3-bet? No. The MP raiser and the caller were unkowns. I am not 3 betting him with AJ out of position *with a caller in between us*.

The call is easy, but if you are 3 betting AJo against unknowns in a multiway pot OOP, you're spraying.

[/ QUOTE ]

MP or button? If it's the button and an unknown, it's easy and you're wrong. Thinking that the caller makes it worse for you to raise with what is often a dominating hand in a blind steal makes clear that you are lost.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was MP. And yes the caller makes it worse when it's an MP raise.

Do you ever give up? This is laughable.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's the hand. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=smallholdem&Number=295 6382&Forum=,,All_Forums,,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limi t=25&Main=2956382&Search=true&where=&Name=39200&da terange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype= &bodyprev=#Post2956382)

Here's the action:

"Party Poker (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, MP1 (unkown) raises, SB (unkown) calls, Hero calls."

The action says button, you said steal. Now you say MP. What's the story. Either you coldcalled an MP raise with a dominated hand or you didn't 3-bet for value with a dominating hand against a likely button steal.

EDIT: While you run to Mid/High for validation, be a chum and make clear whether MP1 is 4 off the button or on the button.

[/ QUOTE ]

What the hell are you talking about? It was a full ring game with a few people sitting and MP1 raised. At no time did I state it was the button. It seemed to me like an MP steal at a tight-ish table, that's all. If you were using your "it was the button so you should have reraised" analysis, then maybe you should have posted it there. Now it just seems like you're scrambling for something with which to criticize my play, which you clearly are. Very petty.

And as a matter of fact, MP1 is not the button in a 7 handed game (check how Bison's converter does it, as I used it to mostly do the conversion). What about this is unclear to you?

As for the x-post, I'm here to learn. So I'd like to see what the high stakes players have to say on this. You've made me question my thought process, even though I am still convincied it is correct. If you're so certain about your advice, you shouldn't mind hearing what the best players here have to say about it, so stop crying.

~ Tilts

jason_t

07-25-2005, 11:49 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Here's the hand. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=smallholdem&Number=295 6382&Forum=,,All_Forums,,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limi t=25&Main=2956382&Search=true&where=&Name=39200&da terange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype= &bodyprev=#Post2956382)

Here's the action:

"Party Poker (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
4 folds, MP1 (unkown) raises, SB (unkown) calls, Hero calls."

The action says button, you said steal. Now you say MP. What's the story. Either you coldcalled an MP raise with a dominated hand or you didn't 3-bet for value with a dominating hand against a likely button steal.

EDIT: While you run to Mid/High for validation, be a chum and make clear whether MP1 is 4 off the button or on the button.

[/ QUOTE ]

What the hell are you talking about? It was a full ring game with a few people sitting and MP1 raised. At no time did I state it was the button. It seemed to me like an MP steal at a tight-ish table, that's all. If you were using your "it was the button so you should have reraised" analysis, then maybe you should have posted it there. Now it just seems like you're scrambling for something with which to criticize my play, which you clearly are. Very petty.

And as a matter of fact, MP1 is not the button in a 7 handed game (check how Bison's converter does it, as I used it to mostly do the conversion). What about this is unclear to you?

As for the x-post, I'm here to learn. So I'd like to see what the high stakes players have to say on this. You've made me question my thought process, even though I am still convincied it is correct. If you're so certain about your advice, you shouldn't mind hearing what the best players here have to say about it, so stop crying.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

In a 7 handed game we have:
the SB
the BB (you)
4 folds

That leaves one person left to act: the Button.

Also, how can you question something if you're still convinced of its corectness?

Neal_Schon

07-25-2005, 11:56 PM

[ QUOTE ]
You find the results of the hand relevant to the discuss of your dreadful preflop call? That's fish talk, so, um, congrats I guess.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Wait a minute. Did you not like the preflop call or something?

sfer

07-25-2005, 11:58 PM

[ QUOTE ]

What the hell are you talking about? It was a full ring game with a few people sitting and MP1 raised. At no time did I state it was the button. It seemed to me like an MP steal at a tight-ish table, that's all. If you were using your "it was the button so you should have reraised" analysis, then maybe you should have posted it there. Now it just seems like you're scrambling for something with which to criticize my play, which you clearly are. Very petty.

And as a matter of fact, MP1 is not the button in a 7 handed game (check how Bison's converter does it, as I used it to mostly do the conversion). What about this is unclear to you?

As for the x-post, I'm here to learn. So I'd like to see what the high stakes players have to say on this. You've made me question my thought process, even though I am still convincied it is correct. If you're so certain about your advice, you shouldn't mind hearing what the best players here have to say about it, so stop crying.

~ Tilts

[/ QUOTE ]

Hahahahahaha