Routine Laydown?

[johnnybeef]

NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14187127 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, July 23, 14:50:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 12059 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 8: Quagmire911 ( $1155 )
Seat 5: bentang2 ( $955 )
Seat 2: JGEORGE ( $385 )
Seat 9: ovandme ( $2745 )
Seat 4: hasinjo ( $2180 )
Seat 7: Johnny ( $1705 )
Seat 3: mercedes84 ( $875 )
Trny:14187127 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Johnny [ Ts 9d ]
ovandme folds.
JGEORGE folds.
mercedes84 calls [50].
hasinjo calls [50].
bentang2 folds.
Johnny calls [25].
Quagmire911 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Ac, Jc ]
Johnny checks.
Quagmire911 checks.
mercedes84 checks.
>You have options at Table 12002 Table!.
hasinjo bets [50].
Johnny calls [50].
Quagmire911 folds.
mercedes84 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
Johnny checks.
hasinjo bets [300].
Johnny raises [600].
hasinjo calls [300].
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Johnny checks.
hasinjo is all-In [1480]

[tigerite]

This is most often than not a flush, so probably. But really I fold that crap preflop, even from the sb.

[skierdude1000]

Are you serious? If you want to lay this down, please msg me and we can play headsup. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Nahhhh cmon, you have a strait that is the nuts!

[Freudian]

You probably have to lay it down. Hate this situation because if you are wrong you are giving up a tonne of chips.

[johnnybeef]

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Are you serious? If you want to lay this down, please msg me and we can play headsup. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Nahhhh cmon, you have a strait that is the nuts!

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[johnnybeef]

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This is most often than not a flush, so probably. But really I fold that crap preflop, even from the sb.

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maybe for you, but i am hands down the best player at the table getting 7:1

[Hendricks433]

I think I'd lay it down. Why raise on the turn here? I just call the turn. You dont really have to worry about a free card cause if he has you then he already has the flush. Why mini raise? I think the raise on the turn is a horrible play personally. Also he has doubled his chips so how did he get them? it might give you some info to what his hand may be. The way you played it though I might lay this down. Depends on the feeling and reads. One more thought. Why would he push the river when you just raised his bet on the turn?

[microbet]

Unless I've seen some seriously crazy play from this guy it is a fold.

Flat calling your check/raise on the turn makes him seem awfully happy with his hand.

[SlackerMcFly]

Hmmm.... Maybe this is why I have a yo-yo for a bankroll. I auto-call this and go broke a lot, but win enough of these to keep me interested in playing the "ignorant side of the straight".

My guess is he has K /images/graemlins/club.gifA /images/graemlins/spade.gif and is representing the flush that he missed. He called the check-raise because he had 3:1 odds to do so. Moving all-in to his t300 raise would have avoided the conundrum (if he missed his flush) or you would have been broke there instead of broke when you call his aggression.

He is buying the pot. I call. But I'm a noob. What did he have? SlackerMcBrokeToday

[durron597]

I would never raise this turn. I would call the turn bet and lead those 300 chips on the river. It's a much easier decision to fold if he pushes over the top of the 300 than you checking to him on the river.

[Jay36489]

Does anyone think leading this turn is ok? I sometimes would do that becuase this hand isnt strong enough to check raise, but I would rather get him out if he has less then a flush.

[johnnybeef]

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Does anyone think leading this turn is ok? I sometimes would do that becuase this hand isnt strong enough to check raise, but I would rather get him out if he has less then a flush.

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that would be my default play but i was multiing, and didnt realize there was a flush on the board when i checked what i thought was the nuts. when he bet the 300, i realized that there was indeed a flush there, and i checkraised to get him off of either Qc or Kc. Remember, it is far more common for hold a high club instead of two low ones.

[durron597]

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that would be my default play but i was multiing, and didnt realize there was a flush on the board when i checked what i thought was the nuts. when he bet the 300, i realized that there was indeed a flush there, and i checkraised to get him off of either Qc or Kc. Remember, it is far more common for hold a high club instead of two low ones.

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Yes, but you're giving him 4:1 to see the river, so he's not going to fold a single club anyway.

[DireWolf]

why min raise the turn, then check the river. that gives you no real information, and sets you up to be bluffed off the hand.

[Jay36489]

Well then I would have to lay down this river, becuase I see a lot of "min bet the flush draw" at the 55s. A blocking bet on the river would be nice, but its way too expensive.

[skierdude1000]

I'm sorry I mis-read the hand and didn't see the flush, thought it was rainbow flop.... in that case, I'd seriously consider folding, no need to put it all in there when he is likely to have a flush...


how has he played flush draws before?

[SlackerMcFly]

Dude! What happened?

You never revealed what is sure to turn out to be the worst play ever made in the history of gaming. Embarassed, lazy, out rolling gutter drunks for their jeans???

Please illuminate, educate and pontificate.

Thanks in advance. As always, SlackerMcPwned

[Newt_Buggs]

I fold preflop, I just don't think that you're going to get enough good flops OOP with this hand to justify 25 chips while multitabeling.

yeah i dont think you played this hand that well
seems like you made many errors in part b/c ur multitabling
give some thought to doing less tables if you dont pay enuf attention to ur tables or try the 4 colored deck for seeing flushes
i would also lead out on the turn or just call, also i think you should try betting small on the river
but the way this hand is played, i definitely fold the river and sadly unhappily frown :{

[suited_ace]

I don't like the turn raise. You want to keep the pot as small as you can in this spot so you can throw a river blocking bet without being totally commited to the hand.

That being said, I don't think I'm calling the river for all my chips. His smallish bet on the flop smells too much like a flush draw trying to inflate the pot. I might call it if I have a read on Villain, though.

[johnnybeef]

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Dude! What happened?

You never revealed what is sure to turn out to be the worst play ever made in the history of gaming. Embarassed, lazy, out rolling gutter drunks for their jeans???

Please illuminate, educate and pontificate.

Thanks in advance. As always, SlackerMcPwned

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I layed it down. I think I took third.

[Sponger15SB]

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maybe for you, but i am hands down the best player at the table

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Yeah but only because I wasn't in this SNG....

hehehe

[ChuckNorris]

Why do you minicheckraise? I would lead the turn for 2/3 pot. But since you checked, I would raise more. Not all-in, but I hate giving odds to flush draws here.

I don't think I'd call preflop or on the flop by the way. You only have 3 outs to the nuts, the pot odds aren't great, you are out of position and you aren't even closing the action.

[SlackerMcFly]

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I layed it down. I think I took third.


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Thanks. I can sleep nights now.

[Karak567]

I hate the mini-check raise. Not only did you give him a free card if he is drawing with an ace of clubs but your mini-raise gives him ridiculous odds to call if he was just betting with the ace of clubs.