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fuzzbox
07-23-2005, 10:34 AM
400 NL PP 6-max

Hero (400) UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Villain (560) UTG+2

Hero limps, table limps - 4 to a flop.
Flop (Pot 15)
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Checked to hero, who bets 15, villain minraises to 30, hero calls

Turn (Pot 75)
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Hero bets 60, villain minraises to 120, hero folds

Comments appreciated.
-Skeme-
07-23-2005, 10:38 AM
Who is Villain? A limper, completer or checker? Why are you leading out on turn?
fuzzbox
07-23-2005, 10:48 AM
villain is a limper (to my immediate left).
I lead the turn because he may well have a diamond draw in this spot.
invisibleleadsoup
07-23-2005, 11:06 AM
tricky situation alright
could villain have limped with A3?
either way,i don't think you're hand can stand two minraises,you were right to fold
not sure how you could have played this differently though
orange
07-23-2005, 02:09 PM
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Why are you leading out on turn?

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gulebjorn
07-23-2005, 02:14 PM
Could this be solved by either raising or folding AJo in EP?
snappo
07-23-2005, 02:20 PM
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Could this be solved by either raising or folding AJo in EP?

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Yep. It's 6-max, UTG+1. So he's 2 off the button with no limpers. He should be raising.
07-23-2005, 02:27 PM
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Could this be solved by either raising or folding AJo in EP?

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I think that any hand that beats him on this board right now is a much worse starting hand that AJo, so if anything he should of raised, but raising with AJo UTG+1 is dangerous, maybe not so much at a 6-max table. UTG+2 could possibly (if he's really weak, "slowplay" a preflop monster in which case folding would be the best idea preflop. However, you don't know that, and he didn't raise.)

This hand was more costly than it should have been. I would have only lead the turn if another jack came out. I pin the guy to having a 3 or maybe if he's incredibly weak, he tried to slowplay high pockets preflop. Either way I think you're beat.
amoeba
07-23-2005, 03:33 PM
this is an easy raise preflop.
stu-unger
07-23-2005, 05:07 PM
raise preflop
pot flop
make decisions from there they should be cut and dry from here.
fuzzbox
07-24-2005, 05:10 PM
Do ppl routinely raise pf with AJo in MP in 6-max ?

Can you make much money by raising AJo ? Do you really want to generate a big pot with it ? If you do raise it and are played with here, do you go to the felt in this spot ?

I hardly think that this whole problem can be solved with a "raise preflop" or a "fold preflop", because I think that might actually cause more problems than it solves.