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TheRempel

07-23-2005, 02:58 AM

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($458.90)
SB ($40.30)
BB ($81.55)
UTG ($67.65)
UTG+1 :#A500AF(Giant Nag)/ ($118.10)
MP1 ($99.15)
MP2 ($95)
CO ($83.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 :#A500AF(Giant Nag)/ calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4, UTG+1 :#A500AF(Giant Nag)/ calls $4, MP1 calls $4, CO folds.

Flop: ($31) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Giant Nag checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $35.3, BB folds, UTG raises to $62.65, Giant Nag folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $42.65.

Turn: ($191.60) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)

River: ($191.60) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)

Final Pot: $191.60

Results in white below: 
UTG has 9c 8h 9h 5s (full house, nines full of sevens).

Outcome: UTG wins $191.60. 

Joewatch was at the table when I played this hand. He attempted to gripe about the way I played it until I ran the numbers on twodimes:

Twodimes.net (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1100934)
pokenum -o ts th ks kh - 9c 8h 9h 5s - ad 2h 5d 3d -- 2s 3h 9s
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 9s 2s 3h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Ts Kh Th 300 45.05 366 54.95 0 0.00 0.450
5s 9c 9h 8h 301 45.20 365 54.80 0 0.00 0.452
Ad 5d 3d 2h 65 9.76 601 90.24 0 0.00 0.098

Of course I was somewhat lucky that the nut flush draw wasn't out there and that only one spade was out of play but I think I played the hand well. Any thoughts?

BlueBear

07-23-2005, 04:47 AM

Check the flop for the free card. Although the preflop raise is good, it did not thin the field sufficiently to make a follow-up pot-sized bet on the flop safe enough. In a multi-way pot, it's easy for any one of them to have a better made-hand, AND you're in particular trouble if someone dominates you with a better flush draw.

autobet

07-23-2005, 09:14 PM

Your play looks fine.

Rosie5

07-24-2005, 12:38 AM

you showed him who can get all his money in on whats almost a coinflip

+ev play in the long run, but I still hate getting my money in with such a little edge /images/graemlins/wink.gif

pzhon

07-24-2005, 01:57 AM

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In a multi-way pot, it's easy for any one of them to have a better made-hand, AND you're in particular trouble if someone dominates you with a better flush draw.

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You are only in trouble if you are up against both a better made hand and the nut flush draw, and you have outs to a higher set plus runner-runner draws. Betting may cause one or the other to fold, or two people may like their draws, or two people may like their made hands. A lot of hands can pick up two pair or hit a straight if you check. I like the bet. I don't like waiting for top set.

TheRempel

07-24-2005, 04:10 AM

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+ev play in the long run, but I still hate getting my money in with such a little edge

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After the set moved in I was getting 3.75 to 1 on my call. Would you fold here in a large pot with 45% equity?

Yeah, it's almost a coinflip but I'm not inclined to check the flop here to give a free card and let someone make two pair or put me to a hard decision if I hit my flush. The only hand I can really fear here in terms of drawing thin is the nut flush draw, which I thought that the shortstack might have. Add in the fact that the UTG player was likely to be making this move with 99 but is known for playing lots of rag hands facing raises and could've easily had JT93 and I think the call is automatic.As for the bet, I think you might be able to argue for a check here but I'm not inclined to give free cards when I feel I'm either ahead or a marginal dog.