100-200 PS hand -thinking on the 10th level?

[jfresh]

just observed this hand (DcifrThs was at the table, maybe he can give some insight) at Poker stars 1-2. this can't be near +EV can it?

PokerStars 100/200 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: folds to SB, SB completes, BB raises, SB calls.

Flop: (1.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

UTG+1 doesn't show.
MP1 doesn't show.
MP2 doesn't show.
CO doesn't show.
Button doesn't show.
SB has 7c Ts (two pair, kings and sevens).
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins 8.75 BB.

edit: i just wanted to know if this was standard aggressive, steal resteal situation, or are there really such insane fishy maniacs at 100-200?

[flawless_victory]

what the hell are you talking about?
sb mistankenly thought he could force BB to fold Ahigh because he sucks. BB played fine, but got unlucky. wow.

[jfresh]

relax, it just looked nuts to me, i wanted to clarify. so its normal for someone to bluff 3+BB into a 2BB pot, on a KK2 flop?

maybe fishy wasn't the right word but this seems a tad bit laggy?

[flawless_victory]

in a 1/2 internet game, yes this is very common.
it is an awful play bc noone is opencomplete/calling in sb with a hand that like this flop except maybe a 7high flush draw. sb sucks, but so do alot of ppl.
i wasnt tried to be rude, but this 10th level bs is hilarious.

as someone that is one of the best 100-200 players online, I can say that SB played it terribly preflop and post flop UNLESS he had a HUGE read on the BB, then he played it fine. Most of the time he is going to be behind OR 50-50 with that kind of action on the flop. He was probably up against AcQc from the bb.

OPEN LIMPING from the SB is a TERRIBLE play and is only done by fish.

BB played it fine if he had Ac and another high club. If he had low pair than he played VERY FISHY.

-E

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[jfresh]

i was being very sarcastic.

[bobbyi]

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BB played it fine if he had Ac and another high club.

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Admittedly I'm not "one of the best 100-200 players online", but doesn't a flush beat two pair?

[slavic]

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as someone that is one of the best 100-200 players online, I can say that SB played it terribly preflop and post flop UNLESS he had a HUGE read on the BB, then he played it fine. Most of the time he is going to be behind OR 50-50 with that kind of action on the flop. He was probably up against AcQc from the bb.

OPEN LIMPING from the SB is a TERRIBLE play and is only done by fish.

BB played it fine if he had Ac and another high club. If he had low pair than he played VERY FISHY.

-E

-E

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Is this Eugene?

[Nigel]

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OPEN LIMPING from the SB is a TERRIBLE play and is only done by fish.

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Wow. Elaborate, please. Even it's own thread would be good. You can use that quote as the title.

Thanks,

Nigel

[MrStretchie]

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as someone that is one of the best 100-200 players online

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I can't believe people are arguing with you after this! Clearly you're better than anyone else here.

[phish]

Can you give the names of the players involved. Hand looks familiar. Wonder if I was the BB that hand?

[Brian R]

jfresh-

Are you jfresh 88 on UB? If so you have have taken quite a bit of my money. In regards to the PS 1-2 hand I would say plays like this are fairly common esp. short handed. There is a lot of action mixed with aggression which in turn makes for plays like this. Has anyone noticed how good the action has been recently?

Brian R

[DcifrThs]

wow, ive seen this thread a few times but never read the original post (it was linked from other "sb completion" threads)

in short, jfresh, you see this play alot. its very possibl bb has a small pair here or ace high and that the sb is thinking the bb could have worse or maybe K or Q or J high and only raised him b/c he just completing indicating not a great deal of strength.

if you PM me these two guys' handles i can tell you with much more precision what was up.

and yes, this kind of stuff happens all the time. if i was bb i wouldn't 3bet the flop. since people make huge mistakes like putting in 3 bets on the flop then i like to punish them more by raising the turn after they lead and checking behind the river if i have A high or a very small pair and betting everything else. but crappy play and over agro play especially is very very common.

i have some Q or J high calldowns that ive made to win blind war pots on boards like that b/c the villian did exactly he does...bet and raise w/ nothing. granted if i make a Q or J high call down the bord will usually feature AK or AQ respectively at the very least.

in any case, the only insight i can give is that it happens all the time. so how does it feel to get outdrawn by nutcases?? it feels like SH*T...which all goes back to the #1 skill needed for these, and higher, limits: control.

-Barron