Results - 200 Party 10+1 SNGs

[wulfheir]

4-Tabling
Entry Fees: 2200
Profit: 80
ITM: 36%
ROI: 3.6%
Rakeback: 50

Finish Distribution:
1 - 11% - 22
2 - 9% - 18
3 - 16% - 32
4 - 10.5% - 21
5 - 15% - 30
6 - 17% - 34
7 - 9% - 18
8 - 8% - 16
9 - 3.5% - 7
10 - 1% - 2

[swiftrhett]

This makes me feel not so bad. I just started on the SNGS. Here are my $10+1 results:

360 Tourn.
ROI 4.8%
ITM 38.89%


Finish Distribution:
1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%
4 - 14.72%
5 - 13.61%
6 - 11.67%
7 - 10.56%
8 - 5.28%
9 - 2.50%
10 - 2.78%

I made a good comeback, I was actually down $150 after the first 150 sngs and close to 30% ITM. The next 200, I've been closer to 42% ITM.

I recommend that you play pocket pairs cheaply early on, and make sure you get ITM when you're on the bubble. Like if you're in the top 4, and 1 guy has a similar chipcount to you, concentrate on him getting out first at all costs. I sometimes will play supertight if it looks like it improves my ITM chance. You can definately improve your ITM a few percent at least.

Oh yeah, not that I'm an expert or anything. Obviously, my stats aren't that great as well, but at least we're making money.

[Bill Poker]

/images/graemlins/confused.gif where are the #1 places?/images/graemlins/confused.gif
[ QUOTE ]

1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%


[/ QUOTE ]

[swiftrhett]

[ QUOTE ]
/images/graemlins/confused.gif where are the #1 places?/images/graemlins/confused.gif
[ QUOTE ]

1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%


[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

They left with most of my ROI. I'm not sure how I screwed that up so bad. I feel like most of my heads up play comes down to a coinflip. Maybe I should be doing something stronger?

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]

1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%
and make sure you get ITM when you're on the bubble. Like if you're in the top 4, and 1 guy has a similar chipcount to you, concentrate on him getting out first at all costs. I sometimes will play supertight if it looks like it improves my ITM chance. You can definately improve your ITM a few percent at least.

[/ QUOTE ]

Connect the dots.

[wulfheir]

Yeah, I'm loving the fact there isn't a big minus sign in front of my numbers. 9 of my last 10 tourneys were OOTM, which kind of kicked my numbers in the nuts. also, my plethora of 3rd place finishes are mostly due to losing with the best hand all-in, and running into monsters. hitting the other side of variance will be fun.

[wulfheir]

deleted: misread post

[swiftrhett]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%
and make sure you get ITM when you're on the bubble. Like if you're in the top 4, and 1 guy has a similar chipcount to you, concentrate on him getting out first at all costs. I sometimes will play supertight if it looks like it improves my ITM chance. You can definately improve your ITM a few percent at least.

[/ QUOTE ]

Connect the dots.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, you think I should play more agressively with 4-5 left so I don't go ITM with such a small stack? I'm getting that feeling too. I need to work on my shorthanded play as well though.

[swiftrhett]

[ QUOTE ]
I play typical 2+2 on the bubble. No folding ITM for me.

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe you don't wanna play weak like me and sneak in the money with a short stack, but you can do better than 36% ITM.

[Freudian]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%
and make sure you get ITM when you're on the bubble. Like if you're in the top 4, and 1 guy has a similar chipcount to you, concentrate on him getting out first at all costs. I sometimes will play supertight if it looks like it improves my ITM chance. You can definately improve your ITM a few percent at least.

[/ QUOTE ]

Connect the dots.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, you think I should play more agressively with 4-5 left so I don't go ITM with such a small stack? I'm getting that feeling too. I need to work on my shorthanded play as well though.

[/ QUOTE ]

Could be a mix of not gaining enough chips on the bubble and not playing correct while in the money. But you definately need to fix it because if you don't increase the number of 1st you will never be able to increase your ROI to good numbers. A first is worth so much money that you have to give yourself the chance to win it.

Of course there are odd times where you have no option but to try to limp into 3rd but that is not the ordinary.

[dmmikkel]

I'm crushing 10+1 and I had -ROI for 250 SNGs (with 35% ITM). I don't see how you can evaluate someones game after only 200.

[Hood]

[ QUOTE ]
but you can do better than 36% ITM.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you are too focused on ITM.

I don't see how you could have a negative ROI for 250 games if you are "crushing" the $10+ 1's. Maybe you weren't crushing them then?

[45suited]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't see how you could have a negative ROI for 250 games if you are "crushing" the $10+ 1's. Maybe you weren't crushing them then?

[/ QUOTE ]

I had a stretch of 200 games at the 11s where I had a negative ROI (-7%). This was immediately followed by a stretch of 200 games where I was up 110 buy-ins (55% ROI). Variance happens.

[protoverus]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm crushing 10+1 and I had -ROI for 250 SNGs (with 35% ITM). I don't see how you can evaluate someones game after only 200.

[/ QUOTE ]


Bingo! Same experience...Beating game handily over long run, but have had a couple 200+ runs of almost those exact finsh and ROI #'s...and some worse with -ROI.

Sometimes those are great stats...you had sucky cards, you couldn't steal cause everyone raised in front of you all game, and YET you slipped into the money through perseverence and ekeing out what was there!! Othertimes, those stats suck when you played timidly with your big stack on the bubble.

Which is it? Only you can tell.

Be well.

[protoverus]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't see how you could have a negative ROI for 250 games if you are "crushing" the $10+ 1's. Maybe you weren't crushing them then?

[/ QUOTE ]

Then I'd venture to say you don't have enough experience playing SNG's yet.

If you define crushing as 20% ROI you'll still get runs like that.

be well

[GtrHtr]

[ QUOTE ]
4-Tabling
Entry Fees: 2200
Profit: 80
ITM: 36%
ROI: 3.6%
Rakeback: 50

Finish Distribution:
1 - 11% - 22
2 - 9% - 18
3 - 16% - 32
4 - 10.5% - 21
5 - 15% - 30
6 - 17% - 34
7 - 9% - 18
8 - 8% - 16
9 - 3.5% - 7
10 - 1% - 2

[/ QUOTE ]

I wouldn't worry about your ROI or ITM over 200 played as much as I'd worry about your top 4 finishes %. My guess is that you are playing too many hands early as your 5-8 place finish disto is higher than it should be.

[GtrHtr]

oh and are you 4 tabling sets or staggered or continuous?

[wulfheir]

i start 4 tables, wait until they are all done, then start 4 more. on the odd occasion my AA gets busted in 9th or 10th, i'll start a new one to replace it.

i'm not concerned with extracting any data from my 200, i just posted it in case other noobs like myself are interested to see how their peers are doing.

[Vasquez]

Wulfheir i have the same numbers as you . I have alot of 5th/6th place finishes. I know sample size is small but i wonder if we are doing something wrong.

-Vas

[wulfheir]

I've played 16 this morn, 1 5th and 1 6th.

High blinds, my KQ called by AK.
Again, high blinds, my AQ called by AK.
Had I not run into those, I would have picked up blinds for another round.

I felt okay losing there.

[Vasquez]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/Mildawg200/Finishgraph.png

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/Mildawg200/ProfitGraph.png

SNG results over 200

[psyduck]

3.6% ROI at 10+1s is WAY too low. WTF, these ARE 11s we're talking about right.

Post some hands. The standard push a lot on the bubble should be adjusting when you're facing calling stations, especially that you'll see at the 11s. However, the 11s are extremely easy because you'll often have a good chance to double up early on, and if not, most of the bubble players are weak-tight.

Anyway, look at the post by Adanthar at the top of this forum. You should be getting at least a 20% ROI at the 11s before moving up or anything. Also, 4-tabling might be the cause for your results. Try to drop down to 2-tabling, bring up your ROI, and then move up to 4-tabling.

Also, just FYI, 200 SNGs is not a lot at all.

[proell]

you are doing fine here.
you have a nice HU win%.
turn a few more of the 3rds into 1sts and you've got yourself a solid ROI. The rest of the distribution is not bad, though 6th being your most frequent finish is a little strange.

This is only 200 SNGs and you need to keep your head straight with that. I played 100 between Tues & Wed and had a -20% ROI. The curves don't start leveling out for a long time, so just stick to it and keep your perspective.

[barry111]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

1 - 7.78%
2 - 14.17%
3 - 16.94%
and make sure you get ITM when you're on the bubble. Like if you're in the top 4, and 1 guy has a similar chipcount to you, concentrate on him getting out first at all costs. I sometimes will play supertight if it looks like it improves my ITM chance. You can definately improve your ITM a few percent at least.

[/ QUOTE ]

Connect the dots.

[/ QUOTE ]

nh

[tigerite]

http://tinypic.com/98t6jc.jpg
http://tinypic.com/98t6oz.jpg