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11t
07-21-2005, 01:18 PM
i'm assuming folding here is out of the question. I was just wondering what people would do preflop here. I haven't been paying attention to any of these players.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t2075)
Button (t2540)
SB (t1390)
Hero (t1470)
UTG (t1140)
UTG+1 (t1385)
MP1 (t1090)
MP2 (t1120)
MP3 (t1290)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t75, Hero...

SammyKid11
07-21-2005, 01:20 PM
Call. Play the hand postflop.

durron597
07-21-2005, 01:21 PM
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Call. Play the hand with extreme caution postflop.

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schwza
07-21-2005, 01:25 PM
what does that mean? you're going to get away from an Axx or Qxx flop? pot will be 500 and stack is ~1400.

durron597
07-21-2005, 01:27 PM
Well a lot of times those stupid pf miniraises mean AA or KK. But not often enough to fold AQo here.

schwza
07-21-2005, 01:35 PM
ok, but in your earlier post you said you were going to play "with extreme caution." suppose the flop comes A 9 5 rainbow. no one besides the pfr'er shows any interest. are you going to stack off?

durron597
07-21-2005, 01:38 PM
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ok, but in your earlier post you said you were going to play "with extreme caution." suppose the flop comes A 9 5 rainbow. no one besides the pfr'er shows any interest. are you going to stack off?

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I'm starting to think here that the best line is to check-call down. If the flop is Axx then KK isn't going to push, and AA will slowplay. If it's Qxx the problem is more difficult.

In your opinion, do you think it's possible to have AQo, call preflop, and then avoid stacking off to KK on a Qxx board?

schwza
07-21-2005, 01:42 PM
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ok, but in your earlier post you said you were going to play "with extreme caution." suppose the flop comes A 9 5 rainbow. no one besides the pfr'er shows any interest. are you going to stack off?

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I'm starting to think here that the best line is to check-call down. If the flop is Axx then KK isn't going to push, and AA will slowplay. If it's Qxx the problem is more difficult.

In your opinion, do you think it's possible to have AQo, call preflop, and then avoid stacking off to KK on a Qxx board?

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well, it's obviously possible. but with these stacks, i don't think it's a good idea, cause you're going to avoid stacking KQ/TT/etc way too often.

i would call pre-flop, check any flop, and then prepare to stack off with 1 pair (except KQx or possibly other bad flops) unless 2 people including the pfr'er want to get involved. then i'll get out pretty quick.

11t
07-21-2005, 01:47 PM
I think you are seeing monsters under the bed.

durron597
07-21-2005, 01:50 PM
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I think you are seeing monsters under the bed.

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I didn't say fold on a Qxx flop, I said "be careful". Sheesh.

11t
07-21-2005, 01:53 PM
I don't mean to sound like a douche, it is just that when I see a min-raise from the CO I don't think AA or KK, I think its a complete fool who just min-raised from the CO with limpers in front of him. Sure you do see it at times, but the majority its a guy with two pretty cards.

It is sooted baby.

EDIT: I would be much more scared if the blinds were higher and he min-raised from the CO. That is a sign he wants action, but when the blinds are low most players will still try to protect their hands somewhat.

UMTerp
07-21-2005, 02:23 PM
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well, it's obviously possible. but with these stacks, i don't think it's a good idea, cause you're going to avoid stacking KQ/TT/etc way too often.

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In general, KQ will throw all his chips at you anyway if he flops top pair.

My default here is to call the flop, then check-call the flop and turn for reasonable bets if I flop top pair, then lead the river for ~1/3 pot.

If one of the EP players bets, say, 300 on an A98 flop then pushes the turn when a 7/8/9/T falls, I'll just let him take it and play the rest of the SNG with my ~1100 stack.

durron597
07-21-2005, 02:26 PM
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My default here is to call the flop, then check-call the flop and turn for reasonable bets if I flop top pair, then lead the river for ~1/3 pot.

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Are the stacks deep enough to do this? Half pot on flop is 250. Assuming it's HU to turn, half pot on turn is 500, taking 750 out of your stack. On the river the pot will be like 2k with 750 behind... is that right?