another A6o near bubble

[schwza]

BB is same as other hand, reasonable and on tight side.

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UTG (t1015)
MP (t2565)
Hero (t1275)
SB (t895)
BB (t2250)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, hero?

[tigerite]

Push, again.

[Nicholasp27]

u don't have as much FE as before, but u aren't gonna get better cards in a better situation than 3 folds before u...and if u do, u'll likely have half the chips u have now anyway, so it will just get u back to where u currently are

there are also 5, not 4, so u really have to do something

i don't like the lack of FE, but u still have an ace and this is most likely ur best situation to make ur stand...225 blinds is 25% of ur stack

[wiggs73]

This one I push because you need the chips worse than you did in the other because there are 5 left, and you and 2 others have comparable stack sizes. You also have more FE on the BB this time.

[wiggs73]

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u don't have as much FE as before, but u aren't gonna get better cards in a better situation than 3 folds before u...and if u do, u'll likely have half the chips u have now anyway, so it will just get u back to where u currently are

there are also 5, not 4, so u really have to do something

i don't like the lack of FE, but u still have an ace and this is most likely ur best situation to make ur stand...225 blinds is 25% of ur stack

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How does he have less FE this time? It's much more significant for the BB if he calls and loses than the other hand.

[durron597]

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This one I push because you need the chips worse than you did in the other because there are 5 left, and you and 2 others have comparable stack sizes. You also have more FE on the BB this time.

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[Nicholasp27]

if BB calls and loses, he's still in 2nd place

and he figures that with ur stack, u may be pushing with less than a6

in the other one he had over 1/2 the bb's stack and would ruin the bb's chances of bullying if he lost the hand


would u rather be bb with 1720 and stacks of 790/2340/3150 on ur table (first one)

or bb with 1355 and stacks of 1015/2565/1275/1790


i guess neither is ideal, but at least in this situation, the bb winning puts him into bullying territory, while in the other one, he's already in bullying territory, so why call a coinflip that takes that away from him when he could just fold and then bully the next hand?

[schwza]

my problem with this push is BB is not calling with anything i'm ahead of, except maybe KQ. i haven't looked at numbers, but i wouldn't be surprised if i'd rather hand 78s against his range here. in the battle of blinds hand, there are a lot more a2/KT-type hands that call.

[wiggs73]

I'd rather be in the first situation because I still have a great shot at making the money. In the second situation, 4 of the 5 stacks are in the same territory and I'm one of them. My chances of finishing ITM would be drastically cut by a call and loss, which isn't the case in the first hand.

[Nicholasp27]

u don't want him to call u

the odds that he gets a better hand than u are what? 15%? 20%? u are stealing 25% of ur stack in blinds...and u are short stack with 5 left...and nobody is in the pot yet...and u have an ace...u have to push here

[Nicholasp27]

but if going for 1st, not itm, then u are ok to fold in the first cause u still have plenty to bully any unraised pots

in the second, if u call, u will finally have enough to bully and have a much higher chance at first...if u lose it, then u are still 2nd and still finish in the money and take ur chances at heads up...but ur odds of 1st may be higher so u may be more likely to call

[wiggs73]

You'd actually be the third stack in the 2nd situation and be very close to the 4th and 5th stacks in size. I'll still contest that he has more FE in the 2nd situation, but I guess it depends on the BB, as he'd obviously have more FE on me than you and vice versa in the 1st situation.


Edit: Your numbers are wrong anyway. I haven't done the actual math, but you didn't account for the villain doubling up in the 2nd situation. So stack sizes would actually look like 2500, 2500, 1100, 900, 1000 (you). Now you have a tough time moneying and an even tougher time getting first, whereas, you were in fine shape and have FE over the entire table if you just fold.

You did see that hero is button, not SB right? Your numbers look like you did it for SB. SB obviously have less FE than button.