A5 on button

[Tommy Angelo]

$20-40. My third hand. One player limped who I didn't know. I was on the button with A5 and I raised. Both blinds folded and the limper called. Headsup. He looked fragile. The flop was 4-3-2 rainbow. He bet, I raised, he raised, I raised, he raised, I called. I pretty much decided he probably had the nuts or maybe A5 but I'd want to see how the story ended.

The turn was a nine. He bet and I called.

The river was another nine. He checked.

I had a fat urge to bet and then went Hmmm.

Did he have 65 or A5 and put me on 44, 33, or 22? I didn't feel so. I didn't think there was much putting on being done. I think he checked when the pair came because that's what he does in frantic pots when a pair is his fear card and it comes. What about if he had flopped two pair? Well, if I was right that he's the kind of guy who will freeze up that fast when the board pairs on the river even though he flopped the nut straight, then that would mean he's also not the kind of player who would bet out and raise twice, all on the flop, with such a vulerable non-nut hand as two dinky pair.

Which meant he had me tied or beat right on the flop, so I should check.

Or maybe I was totally wrong about everything, and maybe he was an excellent player, and I was in the middle of being sucked into a checkraise after getting sucked out on the river by his flopped set.

All of a sudden, I checked. He showed 65.

Tommy

[The Truth]

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[mike l.]

it's interesting you only went 5 bets on that flop. i think if you do that enough you will leave money on the table that should be in your stack. i think that's around an 8-10 bet flop because your hand is pretty disguised against typical 20-40 players. of course read and player dependent stuff may make it a 5 bet flop sometimes which it looks like was the case here.

i guess what im really trying to say is, like most of your posts lately, i dont really have anything to say.

[surfdoc]

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i guess what im really trying to say is, like most of your posts lately, i dont really have anything to say.



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You could say what you would do with this hand which is fold preflop.

[rmarotti]

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i guess what im really trying to say is, like most of your posts lately, i dont really have anything to say.



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You could say what you would do with this hand which is fold preflop.

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Is that a joke?

[slavic]

One player limped who I didn't know.

I would go a few more bets on the flop in the courting process. I have one of those mental blocks about bad players limping and flopping hte nutts when I have 2nd nut, type things.

[mike l.]

"You could say what you would do with this hand which is fold preflop."

right. usually. but if it were suited i would raise. usually.

[anatta]

His look, "fragile", is the key for slowing down on the flop after five bets since the communication of bets on the flop often does not begin to mean a hand UNTIL he five bets you.

Still he would have to be really weak for me to slow down here since a set/two pair for him gives this action and you still and will always look like overpair to him.

[MMMMMM]

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i think that's around an 8-10 bet flop because your hand is pretty disguised against typical 20-40 players.

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Wow. Just let me say wow.

[etizzle]

eh in vegas I think going past 6 bets is no good.

[CanKid]

checking behind rivers like these are what make my week, gh

[Lawrence Ng]

Against a completely unknown player I always tend to err on the side of caution and thus I would probably have been more conservative than you would have been on this play Tommy.

There's definitely some EV that is given up here playing so, but it's not much and without any reads/betting patterns I feel it's better to feel safer than not. But that's just me.

Lawrence

[theBruiser500]

it takes a lot of courage to check on the river there, nice hand

[anduril]

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eh in vegas I think going past 6 bets is no good.

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HA! At foxwoods 20-40, 4 bets means the uber nutz or some guy accidentally tossed too many chips in the pot.

[Tommy Angelo]

"it's interesting you only went 5 bets on that flop. i think if you do that enough you will leave money on the table that should be in your stack. i think that's around an 8-10 bet flop because your hand is pretty disguised against typical 20-40 players."

I see this as more validation to support the notion that it would be a good idea if southern California and northern California were split up into two states. (And we get Santa Cruz.)

Tommy

[ACPlayer]

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HA! At foxwoods 20-40, 4 bets means the uber nutz or some guy accidentally tossed too many chips in the pot.

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Putting in the 5th bet without the stone cold nuts in FW is virtual suicide. Any street. Specially in the 10-20 game.

But properly executed you can steal many, many pots.

[mmcd]

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HA! At foxwoods 20-40, 4 bets means the uber nutz or some guy accidentally tossed too many chips in the pot.

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Putting in the 5th bet without the stone cold nuts in FW is virtual suicide. Any street. Specially in the 10-20 game.

But properly executed you can steal many, many pots.

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I've went 13 on the river in the 20 game with the 2nd nuts and MHWG. It depends on the particular player.

[anduril]

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HA! At foxwoods 20-40, 4 bets means the uber nutz or some guy accidentally tossed too many chips in the pot.

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Putting in the 5th bet without the stone cold nuts in FW is virtual suicide. Any street. Specially in the 10-20 game.

But properly executed you can steal many, many pots.

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I've went 13 on the river in the 20 game with the 2nd nuts and MHWG. It depends on the particular player.

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100% chance you were up against a vacationer from California. The only time I've ever put in a 6 bet the whole table looked at me as if I was betting the farm on the Celtics.

[adios]

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it takes a lot of courage to check on the river there, nice hand

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I guess you think 5 bets on the flop was a little light as well /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[BottlesOf]

Great post. I concur on the river.