So I spike my 5 outer on the turn...

[baronzeus]

and I checkraise only to get 3bet. Your plan?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (6 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero?

[Paxosmotic]

Cap, lead, and call. We're behind 86, 99, 77, 55, A9, and A7. We're ahead of everything else. What's Villain's aggression?

Edit : I know what villain had so I'll recuse myself, but someone find baronzeus something to punch, cause he just got played. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Nick C]

I would call down, I guess.

I think most of the time you're drawing to 2-4 outs.

Reads could change that, but I get concerned when someone doesn't let a turn checkraise faze him. I guess Button could just think you spiked an ace and caught top pair, but if he's been keeping track, he should realize you bet the flop also. And, anyway, the only hand that is beating top pair that you beat is 97.

It's also possible he thinks you're bluffing the scare card, or maybe he has 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif and likes all the additional outs he just picked up.

But I'm not too optimistic.

[Moneyline]

I think you made a mistake on the flop by not check/calling. There is a good chance that someone holds a higher pair than you, and if so you'll likely get raised and have to put in extra money with your 5 outer. Even if you are ahead, the pot is big enough that you'll still get (correctly) called by hands like gutshots and overcards... and on this board a lot of your opponents will hold hands like that. Without improvement your bottom pair is unlikely to hold up, so I wouldn't be too eager to toss in a bunch of chips on the flop.

EDIT: There may also be some cases where check/raising is best, like when the bet comes from an aggressive button and you think you can get everyone else to fold. I think that is the exception to check/calling though. IMO betting out is still your worst option.

Since you asked about the turn, I prefer just calling down after you get reraised unless your opponent is a total magoo. He doesn't seem afraid of the ace, so it probably either helped him or his hand on the flop was big enough not to be bothered by it. I suspect that you're usually behind here, but there's enough chance that you're up against something like 97 or a poorly played AK that it's worth showing the hand down.

I think this hand is a situation where you need to take your foot off the gas and play a little more passively.

Just my opinion...

[Piiop]

I wouldn't bet the flop and I'd call down after the turn 3-bet.

[brettbrettr]

I dont' like the flop bet, but it looks like a fairly routine call if its one back to you.

Given the way you played it, hmm, dunno. Button read?

[baronzeus]

The only hands im legitimately behind are 99, 77, and 68. I probably bet this flop 20% of the time.

[Piiop]

What does "legitimately behind" mean?

[baronzeus]

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What does "legitimately behind" mean?

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not sure exactly...maybe I meant "could be behind"

[Piiop]

Why can't you be behind to A9, A7, and 55?

[baronzeus]

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Why can't you be behind to A9, A7, and 55?

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I didn't include reads, but i don't think this guy 3bets with A7 or A9. ALso, there's only one combo of 55.

[keikiwai]

Silly question but why aren't you behind AA?

Most people limp AA occasionally, more often than KK or other big pockets anyway. Some people limp it a lot.

[arch12]

Tough situation, a 3-bet when an A falls suggests incredible strength to me. I strongly feel your behind a set, a higher two pair or the straight. A 97 is an unlikely possibility depending on the nature of the opponent. However, against your typical passive party poker opponent I'm inclined to fold this on the river unimproved. The reasoning behind my decision:
-I don't feel you'll win this 13-to-2 (calling both the turn and river) unimproved
-While you have the implied odds to catch a full house (I'm estimating you have around 3 outs, as his most likely holding is a set or the straight. Discounting an out when you are dominated by A7, A9) you do not have the effective odds to call both the turn and river.

In my experience, against a passive or semi-passive player you're not ahead enough to make a river call profitable.

Note: This is my line against your typical 0.5 to 1 agg. factor player. Had I obtained a specific read on this player to be overly aggressive I would adopt a different approach.

I also agree a check call line on the flop would have been more appropriate; given the number of opponents it is unlikely your A5 is good.

[Sarge85]

I check and see this flop.

I like your CR on the turn, but probably just call down after the CR 3-bet.

A turn CR says a lot about your hand, and he doesn’t seem to care. I’d say he’s not to concerned about top pair at the moment. I don’t see AT or better 3 betting a CR that often. (but often enough that I’m not folding)

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[deception5]

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i don't think this guy 3bets with A7 or A9.

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If you think he's not 3-betting with top 2 pair than that means you're drawing to 4 outs max.

[MrEngenic]

Call, check call river and expect to loose to a set, A9 or 86s.
I'm not sure what's best if you hit your full house on the river. If an A comes, bet and 3-bet a raise. If a 5 comes, bet and call or check/call if he's really passive.

[jedi]

I call down if it's a typical Party Poker player. If it's the local rock at a B&amp;M casino, I might even find a fold, but I call down here. I'm most likely looking at 2 pair (97s) or maybe a set. Given earlier comments, you might be up against crappily played AA, but that's the breaks. No way I can find a fold unless it's a total rock.

[W. Deranged]

Leading this flop into 6 players with bottom pair is spewing.

You will not win the hand with a bet, you are not that likely to be ahead, you don't have an equity edge against the field if you are behind and maybe only a slight one if you're ahead given the fact you are probably dodging 3/4 of the deck. You're giving reverse implied also.

Check the flop and the take off a turn if it's not two back to you. Check-fold the turn unimproved.

As played I don't really see myself doing anything but calling down against any normal opponent. Against a tough/aggro opponent I may get a bit more aggressive.