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11t
07-20-2005, 05:14 PM
Is this a pretty marginal push or standard?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1355)
CO (t2155)
Button (t265)
SB (t2890)
BB (t2895)
UTG (t2620)
Hero (t1320)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1320</font>
schwza
07-20-2005, 05:15 PM
i'd push there.
wildzer0
07-20-2005, 05:16 PM
I make this push if I'm tilting, but it's probably not a great idea.
hobbes9324
07-20-2005, 05:19 PM
borderline - I really prefer to play small pairs for set value, but I can see pushing....interesting......
wulfheir
07-20-2005, 05:20 PM
I don't like pushing that into 5 players.
junkmail3
07-20-2005, 05:21 PM
Sixes start to become my borderline area. I would push with 77, 66 becomes read dependant for me.

55- is folding.
11t
07-20-2005, 05:21 PM
Calling here for set value is beyond bad
11t
07-20-2005, 05:23 PM
Yah I agree, I would push 88 without thinking and I might wince and push 77 but these 66's seemed to reside solely in the gray area.
hobbes9324
07-20-2005, 05:34 PM
OK....so if calling for set value is beyond bad, and 6's are too low to push....raise 3x blind?
Or what?
Don't think I'm folding.....like I said, it's interesting.
tigerite
07-20-2005, 05:34 PM
It's a tough spot but you do have a lot of fold equity as well. I think it's a push for me, but yeah, this is very close.
11t
07-20-2005, 05:35 PM
If you are going to get involved in this pot your only choice is to fold.

If you raise 3xbb you are forced to call a push due to pot odds. Max FE by pushing.
1C5
07-20-2005, 05:36 PM
I usually push here as well.
tigerite
07-20-2005, 05:38 PM
I would like to know if this is also standard, however.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP (t2465)
CO (t952)
Button (t555)
SB (t1910)
Hero (t850)
UTG (t1268)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t200</font>, Hero goes all-in, SB calls t650.

Flop: (t950) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t950) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t950) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t950
curtains
07-20-2005, 05:39 PM
Standard for me. However if I had 1450-1500 I fold, and if Im one seat further away I fold.
curtains
07-20-2005, 05:40 PM
tigerrite that is clearly standard. Anything other than moving allin there is terrible IMO.
11t
07-20-2005, 05:44 PM
Yah, if I was in mp I wouldn't ask. It just seemed that with my exact stack size and my exact position on the table I really didn't feel comfortable with pushing or folding.
tigerite
07-20-2005, 05:45 PM
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tigerrite that is clearly standard. Anything other than moving allin there is terrible IMO.

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That's what I thought, just the min-raise crap is always a bit of a strange one. Never quite know what to make of it, other than he's probably a bit of a donk, but he hadn't played like that up til then.
Jay36489
07-20-2005, 05:49 PM
For me 66 is not that tough of a fold, 77 is a tough fold, and 88 is a somewhat tough push.
11t
07-20-2005, 05:52 PM
I want to punch people who min-bet/min raise in the face.

I also hate people like this.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t2355)
Hero (t6055)
BB (t1400)
UTG (t1700)
MP (t1990)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t6055</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t2155 (All-In).

Flop: (t8610) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t8610) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t8610) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t8610

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has 3c 3s (flush, ten high).
Hero has 8d Ah (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Button wins t4910. Hero wins t3700. </font>
tigerite
07-20-2005, 05:54 PM
And those who call all in with A4s for no apparent reason, but I hear you. Then suck out on your A8o, and leave you knacked and finishing 5th. Anyways, he had TT in the hand, so it wasn't a bad beat of any kind, but why the hell he didn't just push, I have no idea.