a,q early

[Olback]

Eurobet $33 sng

Is it correct to fold a,q to an all in raise early in a sng. Normally i fold and sometimes i even fold a,k here, is this a leak of mine?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Hero (t1055)
MP3 (t945)
CO (t635)
Button (t635)
SB (t490)
BB (t785)
UTG (t705)
UTG+1 (t1055)
UTG+2 (t965)
MP1 (t730)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, BB raises all in t 490 <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t195

[pergesu]

I would have just folded preflop to begin with. But yeah, I can't see calling after that he pushes.

btw when you use the converter, make sure you edit it. Can't tell who pushed in this. But doesn't really matter, easy fold.

[Olback]

You fold a,q preflop in level 1. wow thats awefully tight. You are missing out on oppurnties to take out those fish who overplay there weak aces by doing this aren't u?

[johnny005]

I fold A-Q all the way to 7th spot. I limp in late postion with it if others are in and raise if everyone folded.. I play this way until level 4 normally.. I figure I'm so much better late game than most of the players I dont want to bust out early on a marginal hand.. the chips u save early can be used to double up later.

600X2 is less than 800X2 /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[bmxreed36]

I usually limp with it unless the pot is unopened and i'm in late position and I usually throw it away to any real raise. Playing it cautiously probably isn't bad at all but I'm sure I've lost more with AQ early on than I've won with it.

[Olback]

My problem with playing it like that is i real i miss out on the oppurnity to bust donks who play weak aces over aggresively. I feel if i do not raise with it that there will limp with weak aces and outflop me. At least by raising i am making it less likely they will call.

I also play a,k the same way.

Is this a good way to play it or am i dumping too many chips early playing this way?

[pergesu]

There's a huge difference between AK and AQ. Yes I fold it at level 1.

I seem to do alright by not playin it.

[curtains]

I tend to flat call with AQo here preflop. I honestly think folding is very weak, you have great position, its not like you are UTG. If you fold it will hurt your future progress, I'm pretty sure of that.

[Olback]

Can you expand on what u mean by 'it will hurt your future progress'.

Do you mean in this game or in general?

[curtains]

It's just ridiculous to fold AQo for 30 chips 2 off the button from a general poker standpoint. It's clearly +EV to call.

I play pretty carefully early in sit and gos and understand folding AQo UTG, I even do it sometimes. But to fold here preflop is just too much, there is only so far you can go before you are giving up on an obviously +EV situation, also a situation that you need to become comfortable being involved in.

[Olback]

I was never going to fold preflop. The post is about if i should call this persons all in raise preflop.

[wulfheir]

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I fold A-Q all the way to 7th spot.

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Since I started doing this over the last ~100 games or so, my ITM/ROI have shot way up.

[durron597]

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It's just ridiculous to fold AQo for 30 chips 2 off the button from a general poker standpoint. It's clearly +EV to call.

I play pretty carefully early in sit and gos and understand folding AQo UTG, I even do it sometimes. But to fold here preflop is just too much, there is only so far you can go before you are giving up on an obviously +EV situation, also a situation that you need to become comfortable being involved in.

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Do you guys *ever* take first????? (Not you curtains) I mean, come on guys this is ridiculous.

[tigerite]

I do not fold AQo here. I fold it maybe positions 1-3, that's it. I will open limp with it up to CO, from CO or BTN it's obviously a raise if all have folded. If positions 1 and 2 have limped, I'll probably limp along in position 3 even. But otherwise it's limp and not raise for me at level 1-2.

[Wes ManTooth]

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I do not fold AQo here. I fold it maybe positions 1-3, that's it. I will open limp with it up to CO, from CO or BTN it's obviously a raise if all have folded. If positions 1 and 2 have limped, I'll probably limp along in position 3 even. But otherwise it's limp and not raise for me at level 1-2.

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well said, even with the hero having a good stack its not worth a raise.

[willbb99]

Do you know how the villain lost so many chips early on in the game? I think this information would be useful in your decision.

[curtains]

Yeah I was responding to pergesu who said to fold.

[jeffraider]

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I fold A-Q all the way to 7th spot.

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Since I started doing this over the last ~100 games or so, my ITM/ROI have shot way up.

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AQo is on my "Favourable Conditions" list. I need the pot to be unraised, and I need one of the last two positions for these hands AQo, AJs, KQo. I need the last four positions for AQs and KQs, and I muck every PP below 88 unless I'm in the SB.

Too toight?

[tigerite]

I think that is a bit too tight, yes. However, I don't touch KQo with a barge pole, it only ever makes second-best hands.

[curtains]

Way too tight. Also AQ and AJs are in a completely different class than KQo. Please remember your opponents are VERY bad at poker and give their money on garbage flops with weak hands. When you have a hand that has a good chance to make top pair top kicker, or some other great hand, and you can get in cheaply, you should usually take that oppurtunity.

[ilya]

Your question implies that you have no read on this player. Why not? Clearly he's been involved in at least a couple pots if he's already down to 500. The right play here IMO is to have a read on Villain and go with it.

Folding preflop would have been silly, you shouldn't even fold AJs here. In fact I think you should play KQs/KQo here. I like your preflop raise, I think it's better than limping.

[curtains]

I fold KQo but Im a huge tightass sometimes (of course choosing to play KQo would be perfectly acceptable in this case)...but of course I'd never fold KQs or ATs.

[tigerite]

Nah, I'm the same. KQo is just crappy.