Chasing a 4 high flush

[wheelz]

Villain is the same as the other hand, seems bad/passive but capable of unpredictability

Turn call a good idea? Raise the flop or do something else fancy?

Online 10/20 Hold 'Em (6 max, 3 handed)

Hero is Button with A /images/graemlins/heart.gif 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls

Flop (4 SB) Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
BB bets, Hero calls

Turn (3 BB) 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
BB bets, Hero calls

[NLSoldier]

Fold the turn.

[ihardlyknowher]

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Fold the turn.

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I agree assuming he has a pair, there ~20% chance he has a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif > 4. So your flush outs = about 7 add 2 more outs assuming your other Aces are clean and you are up to 9 outs. Even with implied odds, the call is not justified.

[wheelz]

What if he could be making these bets with air, and he appears to give up bluffs on the river? Guess I'd have to know a percentage then...

[wheelz]

I'm getting 4:1, if I have 9 outs, it would be a call...

[ihardlyknowher]

Right, there is a chance you have the best hand right now.
But if he is betting with a lone /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, he has 15 outs to beat you.
Given this and the fact that the 9 outs is probably pretty generous, I would still fold.

[ihardlyknowher]

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I'm getting 4:1, if I have 9 outs, it would be a call...

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You are right, I thought you were getting 3:1 immediate pot odds (duh!). I think the 9 outs is pretty generous, but combined with the chance you have the best hand it my swing it to a call - or maybe a raise free showdown play?

[wheelz]

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Raise the flop or do something else fancy?

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I'm open to suggestion /images/graemlins/wink.gif

He seemed quite bad, I just felt like I should try outplaying him somehow... but it's clearly pretty marginal as well