Who are the worlds best 7-Stud players? [Archive]

sexdrugsmoney

07-17-2005, 08:17 PM

I don't know much about him but Chad Brown came 2nd to Forrest in 2004 and placed in the money of the 2005 WSOP 7 Stud event.

Don't know if he's one of the worlds best, but it's not too shabby.

ratso

07-17-2005, 09:57 PM

I have not played with too many, but the best I have ever played against are Phil Ivy, Cyndi Violette, Steve Bishop, and a guy named Dave with gray curly hair. All 4 were exceptional and could read players like their hands were exposed.

Jeffage

07-17-2005, 10:24 PM

Do you play 75-150 at Taj?

Jeff

CJC

07-17-2005, 10:56 PM

Ok seriously now..

As far as the superstars are concerend, Ted Forrest is my nominee.

The best players are probably the ones you never hear about though..

CJ

PokrLikeItsProse

07-18-2005, 03:19 AM

Of course, tournament poker is different from cash game poker and this doesn't really answer your question. Still, should be fun.

Multiple 7CS WSOP bracelet winners
Johnny Moss, Ted Forrest, Men "The Master" Nguyen, Bones Berland, Artie Cobb, Don Williams, Marty Sigel, Mel Judah, Rod Pardey (Sr.), Sam Mastrogiannis

If you count people who have won both high and high-low split, add:
Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Phil Ivey, Eskimo Clark

Honorable mention:
Chris Ferguson won a stud event and a half-hold em, half-stud event.

Mr. Peanut

07-18-2005, 01:37 PM

I'm surprised no one mentioned Danny Robison. Isn't Nick Frangos supposed to be an excellent Stud player as well. Also on Barry Greenstein's website he lists John Hennigan's best game as "any form of seven card stud".

theben

07-18-2005, 01:39 PM

don;t forget barry greenstien and ME /images/graemlins/smile.gif

arod15

07-18-2005, 03:56 PM

Ivey and Larry Flynt

Nick_Foxx

07-18-2005, 05:12 PM

don't forget about artie cobb

stud7champ

07-19-2005, 12:46 AM

Doyle (Yes but past his best in Stud), Sklansky (Too tight today), Zee (Not good at the short hand game) or Andy B are not in the same class in Stud as:
Art Cobb (Just the winner of 4 Stud braclets)
Cindy Violette (Stud is her main game, she also has one WSOP in Stud Hilo)
Ted Forrest, (2) Paul Darden? (1) (They each have a WSOP stud 7 braclets) Darden was a stud specialist. Now plays a lot of HE.
Chip Reese hes the one that Doyle said if he had to bet his house on one player ... (2 WSOP Braclets)

Men the Master probably better at 7 stud tourney than ring.
(Has 3 or 4 Stud WSOP braclets)
And amongst the young guns
Allen Cunningham (Hes the one they all forget)
Phil Ivey dont know too much about his stud play saw him play O8 heads up and he's just unbelievable the cards just flow from him
Scott Fishman plays Stud as part of HORSE so hes got to be a decent Stud player.

frappeboy

07-19-2005, 12:49 AM

casholakid on partypoker is the best.

Andy B

07-19-2005, 01:47 AM

I'm curious what you know about Zee's short-handed game.

Since BeerMoney included himself in his list, I assume he included me as a joke as well. I like to think I contribute a little something to this forum, but Chip Reese I am not.

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Scott Fishman plays Stud as part of HORSE so hes got to be a decent Stud
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Are you familiar with the term non sequitur?

sexdrugsmoney

07-19-2005, 02:01 AM

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Scott Fishman plays Stud as part of HORSE so hes got to be a decent Stud
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Are you familiar with the term non sequitur?

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definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur)

kylma

07-19-2005, 05:14 AM

John Hennigan could be one of the top players, because I do know he's a great player, and Barry Greenstein's analysis on Hennigan says that 7CS is his strongest game

beta1607

07-19-2005, 08:22 AM

I can't tell if you are serious? He is good but not even the best at 5/10 on party IMHO

BeerMoney

07-19-2005, 09:26 AM

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I can't tell if you are serious? He is good but not even the best at 5/10 on party IMHO

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I think its possible he's the best stud player on party.. Now that FU_______ is no longer a stud player. Its definitely between him and IronChef.

BeerMoney

07-19-2005, 02:04 PM

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casholakid on partypoker is the best.

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I hear there is a fierce new player "IBlewTheTeam"? Anybody know anything about her?

frappeboy

07-19-2005, 02:37 PM

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I hear there is a fierce new player "IBlewTheTeam"? Anybody know anything about her?

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OMG she is an UNBELIEVABLE player.. I folded rolled aces the other day when she raised a pot in front of me... Its as if my hand is turned face up for her to see... I am moving to a different limit where I can avoid playing against her... I suggest everyone does the same.

BeerMoney

07-19-2005, 02:50 PM

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I hear there is a fierce new player "IBlewTheTeam"? Anybody know anything about her?

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OMG she is an UNBELIEVABLE player.. I folded rolled aces the other day when she raised a pot in front of me... Its as if my hand is turned face up for her to see... I am moving to a different limit where I can avoid playing against her... I suggest everyone does the same.

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Occasionally a player like that comes along, and you're better off just folding. Getting in a hand with her is almost -EV no matter what you're holding.

lstream

07-19-2005, 06:35 PM

I feel I need to add my warnings about this "...Team" player too. I like to see the universe of stud players expand because it is good for the game, but this is one player we could all do without. If you sense she is taking you to the river, then get out.

Prior to her arrival, of the regular players I have encountered I thought chef and casholakid were the strongest as others have said here. Cash caught me on a trap last night, that left me feeling pretty amateurish once it was done. Pretty interesting "he thinks I think that he thinks" stuff going on. You don't like to lose hands, but sometimes you have to be impressed when you get outfoxed.

sexdrugsmoney

07-19-2005, 06:42 PM

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I feel I need to add my warnings about this "...Team" player too. I like to see the universe of stud players expand because it is good for the game, but this is one player we could all do without. If you sense she is taking you to the river, then get out.

Prior to her arrival, of the regular players I have encountered I thought chef and casholakid were the strongest as others have said here. Cash caught me on a trap last night, that left me feeling pretty amateurish once it was done. Pretty interesting "he thinks I think that he thinks" stuff going on. You don't like to lose hands, but sometimes you have to be impressed when you get outfoxed.

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Beermoney is a she? Wow, didn't see that one coming. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

As for your trapped "he thinks I think etc" scenario, would you care to elaborate on the hand and what happened? (like that 30/60 HU hand we can comment on)

Cheers,
SDM

bholdr

07-19-2005, 06:56 PM

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Beermoney is a she? Wow, didn't see that one coming.

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note that there's nothing in "iblewtheteam" that really means it has to be a SHE...

HE could still blow the team... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

jon_1van

07-19-2005, 07:15 PM

who says its a mens team?

Michael Emery

07-19-2005, 07:45 PM

I dont play as much stud now as I used to, but I have probably played more of it on party than most anyone here. I have also played with just about every soild player. Unless things have changed, Chef and Roland are the best stud players that play there currently.

Mike Emery

BeerMoney

07-19-2005, 08:12 PM

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Unless things have changed, DoucheDog and RichBitch69 are the best stud players that play there currently.

Mike Emery

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I agree.

From all I can tell, IBlewTheTeam is a female.

ratso

07-19-2005, 08:33 PM

To jeffage: not any more at Taj at those limits. Actually, I cannot recall that game but 40/80 and the 100/200 a couple times and was happy to break even. I lean more toward the lower limit games bacause of health issues (less anxiety, lower heart rate).

stud7champ

07-19-2005, 09:43 PM

Andy take it from me you are a better player than me. Anyhow check out Ciaffone's PL & NL Poker page 171 which refers to shorthanded play. After a couple players leave the game for dinner Zee, Ciaffione and Lott decide to hold the game together. Both Bob Ciaffone and Zee get mauled by Lott the game was NLH. Sure it was not stud but it was shorthanded

Andy B

07-19-2005, 10:45 PM

If I recall correctly, the word that Ciaffone uses to describe Lott's shorthanded game is "murderous." And that was only one game for an hour or so while a couple of live ones went to dinner. And there's a big difference between limit stud and NLHE. And Ciaffone's point wasn't that Ray can't play shorthanded; it was that they made a mistake by keeping the game going without the producers (and I'm not sure I agree with this). And I could go on. It is ludicrous for you to suggest that Ray is not a great short-handed player based on
this single anecdote.

jon_1van

07-20-2005, 08:43 AM

It is terrible to assume anyone can't play one game shorthanded because they can't play a different game short handed

Just terrible.

Michael Davis

07-20-2005, 12:01 PM

"Both Bob Ciaffone and Zee get mauled by Lott the game was NLH. Sure it was not stud but it was shorthanded"

Yes, and from this you deduce that Zee can't play shorthanded. Sigh. Really, Andy nailed it with non sequitur, which applies to everything you have said in this thread.

-Michael

Ray Zee

07-24-2005, 12:17 AM

i dont remember that game but bob,s game is good shorthanded and steve's game is a full table game mostly. although he is an excellent player all around at holdem. but plays very tight.
for the record seven stud and no limit holdem are my best games and the ones i like to play most. and shorthanded is my favorite time. five handed is best as a full table is boringly slow and three or four you must pay constant attention and thats too much work.
i used to specialize in getting headup no limit games. i still would play most anyone but top players as i never saw a reason to. as that is just an ego trip most of the time and only tends to hurt your future games if you beat a name player, which you had little or no real edge in the first place.

BeerMoney

07-24-2005, 01:14 AM

complete. sentences. rule!

stud7champ

07-24-2005, 05:59 AM

Thanks Ray for setting the record straight.
It would be nice to know what you think of my list on the top stud players.
i dont know but at high limits with a lot of world class players I would guess its an ego trip with the lead constantly shifting form one to the other top class player so who's the best may just be relative to what point in the game you pick.
My thoughts are that the best ever may have been Johnny Moss?

stud7champ

07-24-2005, 06:02 AM

Whats Phil Ivey done in Stud?
There are at least 10 players with better records. Also
Thanks Ray for setting the record straight.
It would be nice to know what you think of my list on the top stud players.
i dont know but at high limits with a lot of world class players I would guess its an ego trip with the lead constantly shifting form one to the other top class player so who's the best may just be relative to what point in the game you pick.
My thoughts are that the best ever may have been Johnny Moss?

Ray Zee

07-24-2005, 11:30 AM

i would have to base a list on the players that play the highest stud game day in and day out. and at the same time played for years with the results speaking for themselves.
i personally do not think tourny results mean a great deal in judging a persons game. tournys are about strategy not playing ability at a game.
players like
danny robinson
roger moore
david hayden
rod pardee
tommy cress and quite a few others played for years and had the respect of being the ones you feared most in the game.

stud7champ

07-24-2005, 11:40 AM

I've heard of Rodger Moore he's in the hall of fame.i'll check out the others on the net. there are some older players who were fantastics, the fans know nothing about them. Crandell Addington is one of them

Ray Zee

07-25-2005, 01:36 AM

crandell never ever played stud. he played in texas some and only came to the world series at the end for the big tourny.
i know lots of names get thrown around these days and thats okay. but few players are left that have played and known them so most of what you here is speculation and that is usually wrong. not that i am right by the way, but i do know most of all the greats and have played with them at all games and stakes. and i still believe that tourny records are meaningless to determine a players ability at a game.
i havent been to vegas in the last five years so have no opinion on the new stars that have arrived as of yet. and those that do play at the highest levels i presume are great players at that situation.