Fold these Jacks preflop?

[diconoclastx]

Would anyone call the all in here?

***** Hand History for Game 2375166016 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:13994752 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, July 16, 20:19:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 18900 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Only614 ( $1735 )
Seat 2: daicathai ( $1360 )
Seat 5: spelia ( $810 )
Seat 7: banone88 ( $720 )
Seat 8: iNeverWin13 ( $895 )
Seat 10: knortpastej ( $1385 )
Seat 4: HERO ( $1870 )
Seat 3: ImJustAPatsy ( $1225 )
Trny:13994752 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Jc Jh ]
HERO raises [350].
spelia folds.
banone88 calls [350].
iNeverWin13 folds.
knortpastej folds.
Only614 is all-In.
daicathai folds.
ImJustAPatsy folds.
HERO ?

[The Don]

Yeah definitely. At best the reraiser has AK but he very likely has QQ-AA. Also you may be dealing with 3 overs including the shorter stack.

[Nottom]

If he would do this with TT or AQ I think you have to call.

If not, easy fold.

[bluefeet]

not fun, but i would fold. he could be squeezing with a hand that will hold up to shortie's pending all-in call. likely you're ahead vs. a AK, AQ (maybe even way ahead vs. 99-TT). always the chance you're a major dog too. you have a pretty clean exit here still holding a healthy stack. i wouldn't risk a possible race situation quite yet.

[Nottom]

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not fun, but i would fold. he could be squeezing with a hand that will hold up to shortie's pending all-in call. likely you're ahead vs. a AK, AQ (maybe even way ahead vs. 99-TT). always the chance you're a major dog too. you have a pretty clean exit here still holding a healthy stack. i wouldn't risk a possible 4-1 Dog situation quite yet.

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FYP

-if you knew you were racing, its an easy call-

[bluefeet]

JMO of course, but i wouldn't race if i new he had two overs. my original raise represented only 1/5 of my stack. had it left me with under T800-900ish, i'd gambe. his stack after folding is still plenty healthy. one uncontested pot in the next orbit or so and he gets his chip back.

[Nottom]

Folding the best hand with 1000 in the pot for 1400 more is really bad.

[DJ Sensei]

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Folding the best hand with 1000 in the pot for 1400 more is really bad.

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But losing your whole stack to the other bigstack who has shown great strength by making a questionable call is worse.

I think you should fold this too, unless you have a good read on the villain making this move with a wide range of hands.

[bluefeet]

hard to argue that point /images/graemlins/wink.gif

how about these turn of events:

hero is in the blinds w/JJ
tilting shorty pushes
villian pushes over the top all-in
do you still call?

i like to understand/learn that if your call in the OP is more swaded by his holdings or his committed chips...

[Freudian]

Any reason for the 3.5xBB raise?

[Nottom]

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Folding the best hand with 1000 in the pot for 1400 more is really bad.

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But losing your whole stack to the other bigstack who has shown great strength by making a questionable call is worse.

I think you should fold this too, unless you have a good read on the villain making this move with a wide range of hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

I never said I would call. I'm just saying if I "knew" I was in a coinflip situation this is an easy call becasue there is already 1000 in the pot.

[elonkra]

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Any reason for the 3.5xBB raise?

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I do this sometimes. What's wrong with 3.5xBB? You advocating a limp, or a 3xBB raise? You think it shows fear of a caller/advertises middle pp?

[Nottom]

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Any reason for the 3.5xBB raise?

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I do this sometimes. What's wrong with 3.5xBB? You advocating a limp, or a 3xBB raise? You think it shows fear of a caller/advertises middle pp?

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I don't like raising that much from that early with much of anything.

[Freudian]

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Any reason for the 3.5xBB raise?

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I do this sometimes. What's wrong with 3.5xBB? You advocating a limp, or a 3xBB raise? You think it shows fear of a caller/advertises middle pp?

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A 3.5xBB raise doesn't say anything a 2.8xBB raise doesn't say. And when you are forced to fold (like this case) you have 0.7xBB more left to play with.