Slim Pickens
07-17-2005, 01:44 PM
$22 buy-in. No read other than the initial raiser has been fairly aggressive so far, as has the rest of the table behind me.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
SB (t1570)
BB (t1975)
UTG (t805)
Hero (t775)
MP2 (t650)
CO (t325)
Button (t1900)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, Hero ???
Initailly, I would hope the gut reaction is to go all-in, but I had a different idea something like this. My choices are fold, call, raise less than all-in, or all-in.
fold: yeah right
less than all-in: pot committs me and gives A-anything and K-anything odds to call
all-in: play the hand with an unknown edge, probably heads-up against the initial raiser
call: likely see a flop for 100 chips, but give the initial raiser a free shot at flopping a king or ace if that's what he indeed has, then getting to act after him on the flop.
Here's why I like calling better than raising all-in. Does it make any sense?
If UTG has AA or KK, I'm probably busting. There's no way I can put anyone at a 22 on a tight enough range based solely on a 100-chip UTG raise to fold an undercard flop. People love bluffing with missed overs and I love catching them. I don't see a lot of trapping with flopped pairs of aces. On an ace-high flop, I can be fairly confident that if UTG leads out for a decent bet, I've been outflopped and can fold. If UTG leads out for a pointlessly small bet, I raise, probably winning the pot there. A king-high flop is a little trickier, but I think it plays about the same. An undercard flop (about 2/3 of the time) is the real beauty as I can expect to clean out missed overs by either raising a decent-sized continuation bet, a raise which often gets called for some reason, or check behind on an otherwise-drawless board and do the same thing on the turn, when missed overs are more likely to call my raise thinking I'm bluffing the same missed overs they have.
My argument for calling rather than raising all-in is this. When I win, I win less, but when I get outflopped by overcards, I lose less. It's a tighter distribution, so even though calling might be less +cEV than raising all-in, I think it's more +$EV based on the ease of playing this hand postflop. Anyway, thoughts?
SlimP
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
SB (t1570)
BB (t1975)
UTG (t805)
Hero (t775)
MP2 (t650)
CO (t325)
Button (t1900)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, Hero ???
Initailly, I would hope the gut reaction is to go all-in, but I had a different idea something like this. My choices are fold, call, raise less than all-in, or all-in.
fold: yeah right
less than all-in: pot committs me and gives A-anything and K-anything odds to call
all-in: play the hand with an unknown edge, probably heads-up against the initial raiser
call: likely see a flop for 100 chips, but give the initial raiser a free shot at flopping a king or ace if that's what he indeed has, then getting to act after him on the flop.
Here's why I like calling better than raising all-in. Does it make any sense?
If UTG has AA or KK, I'm probably busting. There's no way I can put anyone at a 22 on a tight enough range based solely on a 100-chip UTG raise to fold an undercard flop. People love bluffing with missed overs and I love catching them. I don't see a lot of trapping with flopped pairs of aces. On an ace-high flop, I can be fairly confident that if UTG leads out for a decent bet, I've been outflopped and can fold. If UTG leads out for a pointlessly small bet, I raise, probably winning the pot there. A king-high flop is a little trickier, but I think it plays about the same. An undercard flop (about 2/3 of the time) is the real beauty as I can expect to clean out missed overs by either raising a decent-sized continuation bet, a raise which often gets called for some reason, or check behind on an otherwise-drawless board and do the same thing on the turn, when missed overs are more likely to call my raise thinking I'm bluffing the same missed overs they have.
My argument for calling rather than raising all-in is this. When I win, I win less, but when I get outflopped by overcards, I lose less. It's a tighter distribution, so even though calling might be less +cEV than raising all-in, I think it's more +$EV based on the ease of playing this hand postflop. Anyway, thoughts?
SlimP