Stakes at which intelligent LAG play become +EV?

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I've currently played low stakes NL HE for more than a year now very successfully - and despite what many would believe, a very LAG image is totally unsuccessful at limits like .10/.25 and .25/.50 (all 6 max) at Party - fold equity is simply non existant. What levels does good play really reward you? I currently multi-table .25/.50 NL for a ridiculously massive profit (>15PTBB/100). Every once in a while I feel the need to play real poker (more recently) and generally at these limits it makes me small money with the occasional large loss of a big hand to a donk after he makes some ridiculous call. I've played 500,000+ hands at .10/.25 & .25/.50 and consider myself the most profitable player on Party at these limits in NL (seriously), I just have one question, at what limits can I start to play real poker?

I'm drunk right now (in all seriousness), otherwise I would never dream of revealing this information. An honest reponse would be appreciated. Is NL1000 on Party rewarding of good play (the highest limits that there are 6max table)? If not I feel there's honestly more profit available at .25/.50.

[vanHelsing]

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...consider myself the most profitable player on Party at these limits in NL (seriously),...

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hm?

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I'm drunk right now (in all seriousness),...

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Ah, OK...

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Is NL1000 on Party rewarding of good play (the highest limits that there are 6max table)? If not I feel there's honestly more profit available at .25/.50.

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I don't play that high, but a couple of guys are multitabling NL1000 6max as well. They wouldn't even need to make 1 PTBB/100 to be more profitable than your 15 PTBB/100 on NL50 and you can bet they make much more than this...

[tagtastic]

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...consider myself the most profitable player on Party at these limits in NL (seriously),...

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hm?
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Is NL1000 on Party rewarding of good play (the highest limits that there are 6max table)? If not I feel there's honestly more profit available at .25/.50.

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I don't play that high, but a couple of guys are multitabling NL1000 6max as well. They wouldn't even need to make 1 PTBB/100 to be more profitable than your 15 PTBB/100 on NL50 and you can bet they make much more than this...

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I basically nut peddle + very read dependent calls w/ marginal hands vs. maniacs + bet my good hands (tptk or better w/ pf raise or 2 pair or better w/o pf raise) to win alot of $. This isn't real poker, I know that. I could probably multi-table NL1000 for >1PTBB/100, but variance would be a bitch and wouldn't leave me with much more profit than .25/.50 (750 vs. 1000 with alot more variance).

I don't back down from my claim of being the most profitable player from .10/.25 & .25/50 on Party. I know most of the regular there, and they would have to be at least 8 tabling (2 accounts or more) to match my stats.

I simply want to know at what stakes does taking alot of small pots + a few big ones (while folding alot to serious resistance as good LAG player would) would overtake multi-tabling, nut peddling smaller stakes. NL200? 400? 600? 1000? never? I doubt there are many here who have played enough of all these limits that are qualified to answer, but I bet there are a select few who could answer me honestly (although they wouldn't want to). Yes, I am still drunk, but no I would never play after consuming any alcohol - besides playing Friday and Saturday night at small limit NL HE on Party isn't very profitable anyways unless you're willing to stay up until 6am ET or later.

[BZ_Zorro]

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I simply want to know at what stakes does taking alot of small pots + a few big ones (while folding alot to serious resistance as good LAG player would) would overtake multi-tabling, nut peddling smaller stakes. NL200? 400? 600? 1000? never?

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I don't post here and I've never played above NL400, but your post was very amusing so I'll give you the obvious and correct answer.

If you're skilled enough, any increase in level increases your earn rate significantly. That's why El Diablo is playing 10/20 instead of 12-tabling NL25. Capice?

[KaneKungFu123]

lmao.

[KaneKungFu123]

after 500K hands of .25/.50 I think you are ready to multitable NL 1000.

[barongreenback]

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I've played 500,000+ hands at .10/.25 & .25/.50

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Take your hands off the mouse, stand up and turn around. Now, without looking back, walk out of the room and don't stop until you're outside. You remember grass, trees and sky, don't you. Find other people, eat some food, join a commune or whatever but just stay away from computers for a while.

[TrailofTears]

So you've played between 28K and 42K hands every month of .25/.50 NL on Party...single and unemployed?

[Burno]

a half a million hands, the most successful player on Party for his limits....

And he still believes in the cashout curse Linky (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=inet&Number=2648605&Fo rum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main =2648605&Search=true&where=&Name=37602&daterange=& newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev =#Post2648605)

[Salerosa]

I 4 tabled .25/.50 for 16.5 bb for around 10k hands before I moved to .5/1.00. Didnt realize that was anything special.

[TrailofTears]

Actually, if you hadn't retired prematurely from that level, you could have maintained the title of most profitable player at .25/.50NL. Big mistake having the balls to move up...

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[TrailofTears]

Since I made two smart ass posts in this already questionable thread, especially with all the extraneous information in the OP, I will give my honest answer.

I don't think you have to jump straight to 1000NL, nay, I think it is a big mistake to jump right to 1000NL from the micro-NL. I think you can start to take advantage of a laggy style at the 1/2 (sometimes), but moreso at the 2/4 games. There are a few thinking players at that level, and it certainly will be an easier transition pot-size-wise than playing for 20x your usual stakes. Good luck with the move.

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[fsuplayer]

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after 500K hands of .25/.50 I think you are ready to multitable NL 1000.

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let me know when you plan to try it out, ill, uhh...sweat you.

[Yeti]

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lmao.

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