folding QQ at lvl 2

[J-Lo]

Better line to call reraise preflop, but still get money in middle on flop?

***** Hand History for Game 2376027878 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:13999973 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Saturday, July 16, 23:07:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 12122 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 8: addicted777 ( $960 )
Seat 5: Ashker ( $1400 )
Seat 4: illa5th ( $1020 )
Seat 9: SillyGirl_4u ( $410 )
Seat 1: jodilee ( $805 )
Seat 2: BCGuchi ( $945 )
Seat 3: TonyBurkhol ( $830 )
Seat 6: The_Jopker ( $1070 )
Seat 10: erling20 ( $930 )
Seat 7: Fish2Dragon ( $1630 )
Trny:13999973 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to addicted777 [ Qh Qc ]
illa5th folds.
Ashker folds.
The_Jopker folds.
Fish2Dragon calls [30].
addicted777 raises [125].
SillyGirl_4u folds.
>You have options at Table 11548 Table!.
erling20 raises [250].
jodilee folds.
BCGuchi folds.
TonyBurkhol folds.
Fish2Dragon folds.
addicted777 is all-In [835]
erling20 is all-In [680]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 8h, Td ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
erling20 shows [ Ad, Ah ] two pairs, aces and jacks.
addicted777 shows [ Qh, Qc ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
addicted777 wins 30 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, queens and jacks.
erling20 wins 1935 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and jacks.

[gildwulf]

I don't see this as a fold regardless of what opponent has but what do I know.

[ryanvick]

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I don't see this as a fold regardless of what opponent has but what do I know.

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really?... look back at the HH, doesnt something give it away, esp. at 50's, this play at 30's and below is a much harder laydown.

[gildwulf]

Yea something gave it away...OP told us the hole cards:P Still doesn't mean this is a necessary laydown.

[ryanvick]

no... tell me if this thing is off, but most of the time when your solid preflop raise gets min raise back at you it means higher pockets, AA or KK, atleast through my error I've seen this. I think it telegraphs it, saying "I know I have a better hand than you, but I want to milk it". I've layed in this situation and many have showed off the KK or AA after that. It's not easy b/c a lot of times bad players will do this with worse but I think the former outweights the latter. Also, say you drop and lose your (125 or whatever chips), you're still fine and can outplay later when the creppy 'min raise' isn't behind you 4-8xBB raise.

Again this is from 2k+sng's, and has been the same at each level, but the 'good' players don't pull this min raise stuff... they push the whole stack there, again off of my observations... anyone else notice this? I should keep a tally of the times this 'min raise' is showed down and see if this is true. Or maybe in my mind the results are skewed.. if it is less than 50% of the time then my little 'read' is wrong. But bad players seem to push with lesser pockets and 'min raise' with really strong holdings.

[ryanvick]

we'll find out when we look at some HH's over at sucker poker though.. looking forward to that

[The Don]

Raise... Reraise... and a re-remin(gimme action please)raise... If this isnt a situation to lay down QQ I don't know what is.

[gildwulf]

All I see is the player being dealt Queens, making a raise, and a minraise...where's the extra raise?

[The Don]

err whoops read it wrong... still a fold based on the min re-raise. In my experience this is always a sign of a monster.

[JayKon]

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I don't see this as a fold regardless of what opponent has but what do I know.

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I was thinking much the same thing. Its just one of those things that happens. Bad luck, move on.