JJ in BB with a table full of limpers

[morgan180]

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PokerStars Game #2119254655: Tournament #10146823, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/07/16 - 21:24:31 (ET)
Table '10146823 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: pmorganb (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: chief0404 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: snowvixn (2100 in chips)
Seat 4: bipper22 (1400 in chips)
Seat 5: RedSox2005 (1520 in chips)
Seat 6: moneystash21 (790 in chips)
Seat 7: fuzz1 (1395 in chips)
Seat 8: Pipe Dream1 (1540 in chips)
Seat 9: K.Pace (1755 in chips)
K.Pace: posts small blind 15
pmorganb: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pmorganb [Jh Jd]
chief0404: folds
snowvixn: calls 30
bipper22: folds
RedSox2005: calls 30
moneystash21: calls 30
fuzz1: folds
Pipe Dream1: calls 30
K.Pace: calls 15
pmorganb: ??????

at this level any type of raise is just going to act as a sweetner and any overcard flop is going to look grim so what's your line against this many limpers?

[alexd231232]

probably wrong but i'd push it

[pergesu]

I just check here, 100% of the time. If you hit your set, you're doubling or tripling, no doubt about it.

[raptor517]

i guarantee pushing here is a +ev play. some people will get mad and spite call. holla

[johnnybeef]

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at this level any type of raise is just going to act as a sweetner and any overcard flop is going to look grim so what's your line against this many limpers?


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clear cut limp. jacks work best in small pots. you raising will commit you to this hand to the river with your stack.

[11t]

I hate raising here out of position. I would pass up medium situations like this early and really on late game pushing skills.

JJ isn't strong enough and at this level you are getting called by all sorts of trash. 50% chance of overcards flopping and you are going to be out of position with no idea where your hand is and how people are going to act. I check here, and bet at a undercard flop or play for set value.

[Offsprung]

Check, flop a set, get all the money in, win at showdown.

[pergesu]

Yeah, but as Raptor said, if you MOH it you'll get called by 77 every time.

[johnnybeef]

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Yeah, but as Raptor said, if you MOH it you'll get called by 77 every time.

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you are betting 1470 into a pot of 150 with a measly pair of jacks. yes it may be +EV, but if you see a flop, your edge will potentially be much better.

[pergesu]

Oh I know, I said to check as well. Guess what I'm sayin is that a standard raise doesn't make much sense to me...if hero really wants to raise here, it should be a push.

[johnnybeef]

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Oh I know, I said to check as well. Guess what I'm sayin is that a standard raise doesn't make much sense to me...if hero really wants to raise here, it should be a push.

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agreed

[adanthar]

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Yeah, but as Raptor said, if you MOH it you'll get called by 77 every time.

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you are betting 1470 into a pot of 150 with a measly pair of jacks. yes it may be +EV, but if you see a flop, your edge will potentially be much better.

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Why would you want to see a flop hoping to flop a set when 77 will call you right now?

Push, no ifs ands or buts

[morgan180]

i think a push is the right move - i am probably strongest right now, i can push out the QJ limpers, etc. maybe get called by smaller pairs and/or race against a donk calling with KQ.

i limped, flop came 2 toned Qc8c4h

now out of position i am check/folding here, no?