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donger

07-16-2005, 02:57 PM

Hand 1: Villain is incredibly loose/passive and bad preflop.
We're talking like 65/0.8/0.5.

I had planned on calling any blank river here. This one is probably pretty bad, so try not to hurt my feelings in your responses.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

Hand 2:
Villain is a 30/10/1.5 type who is too loose and passive preflop, but fairly competently postflop. He probably views me as a little maniacal, but dangerous and somewhat tricky.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

party36master

07-16-2005, 04:04 PM

I don't think #1 is bad at all. I would play it the same way.

#2- I hate folding overpairs, but I don't see how you can call.

donger

07-16-2005, 05:37 PM

Are these really that boring? Can you guys give me some feedback/analysis on hand 1? Or just some "standard" stamps?
thanks

CanKid

07-16-2005, 05:40 PM

I'd probably call the river in the first one. I raise that turn alot of the time too.

JC_Saves

07-30-2005, 05:24 PM

I think both of your folds are horrendous. I think you have to call both of these. There is no guarantee that you are beat on the first hand. For 1 Bet you can call this.

Hand 2. I think this is even worse. I think that you should have checked this and called all the way down. There is no guarantee that this person just happened to hit their flush.

twankerr

07-30-2005, 05:27 PM

I hate hand 2. The only way you can fold is if you KNOW he has two diamonds. Do you KNOW this?

DMBFan23

07-30-2005, 05:40 PM

if you call the turn in hand 2, are you calling the river UI? Either way, I guess we could decide how often he has to have two pair versus one pair versus the flush to make calling all the way down +EV. I'm too lazy.

DCWGaming

07-30-2005, 05:49 PM

First hand - opponent could VERY easily have 78, 89, T8, or any T for that matter. [censored], he could have any piece of the board and play like that. If you're calling the turn you have to call the river. I hate the fold.

2nd hand - If opponent puts you on overcards, he could easily make this move with any pair. Don't fold.

twankerr

07-30-2005, 06:15 PM

[ QUOTE ]
if you call the turn in hand 2, are you calling the river UI? Either way, I guess we could decide how often he has to have two pair versus one pair versus the flush to make calling all the way down +EV. I'm too lazy.

[/ QUOTE ]

Often, yes.

goofball

07-30-2005, 06:31 PM

I think it's correct to pop the turn in hand 1, with the intent of not putting anymore money in the pot.

In hand 2 I don't like checking behiind on the turn to give all crappy diamonds free draws to beat you. Bet, call a checkraise and river bet.