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Taraz
07-16-2005, 05:10 AM
I've been playing the $11s, $22s, and more recently the $33s on party with pretty good success over my last 600 sngs or so. (I know, small sample, but my ROI is >20% and that's all the poker I've been playing for the past few months so it's all I have to go on.) I'm in the midst of my worst downswing playing the 22s and 33s and have been reviewing HH's to see if I'm bad, unlucky, or both. I've found a few idiotic plays that have cost me dearly, but the following hands were all pretty key hands and I'm wondering if you guys agree with my decisions here. Some of them I think are pretty standard, but I can't tell any more. Thanks in advance.


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Hand #1

Table Table 12696 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: RounderGV (2080)
Seat 4: Namorf (865)
Seat 5: DaCultoster (2450)
Seat 7: mr_turnament (770)
Seat 10: Damager101 (1835)
Namorf posts small blind (75)
DaCultoster posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ Ks, Jc ]
mr_turnament folds.
Damager101 folds.
RounderGV folds.
Namorf raises (790) to 865
Namorf is all-In.
DaCultoster calls (715)
Creating Main Pot with $1730 with Namorf
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9d, 2s, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]

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Hand #2
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: bfk78 (1090)
Seat 3: Kingivie (1625)
Seat 4: BlakeMadden (1655)
Seat 6: lohrcore (4165)
Seat 8: Namorf (1465)
BlakeMadden posts small blind (100)
lohrcore posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ 6d, 6c ]
Namorf raises (1465) to 1465
Namorf is all-In.
bfk78 folds.
Kingivie raises (1625) to 1625
Kingivie is all-In.
BlakeMadden folds.
lohrcore folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3230 with Namorf
Creating Side Pot 1 with $160 with Kingivie
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3h, Ac, Kc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]

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Hand #3

Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: MrDonatelli (2930)
Seat 5: LandShark_60 (3425)
Seat 9: Namorf (1125)
Seat 10: Crazyivan05 (520)
Namorf posts small blind (150)
Crazyivan05 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ 4s, Jd ]
MrDonatelli folds.
LandShark_60 folds.
Namorf raises (950) to 1100
Crazyivan05 calls (220)
Crazyivan05 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $1040 with Crazyivan05
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, 3s, 4c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]

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Hand #4

Total number of players : 4
Seat 4: MrDonatelli (2630)
Seat 5: LandShark_60 (3125)
Seat 9: Namorf (605)
Seat 10: Crazyivan05 (1640)
MrDonatelli posts small blind (150)
LandShark_60 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ 8s, Js ]
Namorf raises (605) to 605
Namorf is all-In.
Crazyivan05 calls (605)
MrDonatelli folds.
LandShark_60 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1660 with Namorf
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, 4c, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]

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Hand #5

Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: packerclay (1137)
Seat 3: Acedogger (1560)
Seat 5: LVMuppet (1365)
Seat 6: java7 (2200)
Seat 7: BigDealOrg (763)
Seat 9: Namorf (975)
LVMuppet posts small blind (75)
java7 posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ 8d, Qd ]
BigDealOrg folds.
Namorf raises (975) to 975
Namorf is all-In.
packerclay raises (1137) to 1137
packerclay is all-In.
Acedogger folds.
LVMuppet folds.
java7 folds.

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Hand #6 -- Probably should have raised the turn, huh?

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: LooseOne111 (1010)
Seat 2: bball02424 (800)
Seat 3: PtownPlaya12 (800)
Seat 4: tgoingplaces (855)
Seat 5: bandol (790)
Seat 6: prosvb (805)
Seat 7: JVR1975 (730)
Seat 8: Namorf (770)
Seat 9: midway77 (875)
Seat 10: largecombo (565)
LooseOne111 posts small blind (10)
bball02424 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ Ad, Kc ]
PtownPlaya12 calls (15)
tgoingplaces calls (15)
bandol folds.
prosvb folds.
JVR1975 folds.
Namorf raises (60) to 60
midway77 folds.
largecombo folds.
LooseOne111 calls (50)
bball02424 folds.
PtownPlaya12 calls (45)
tgoingplaces folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, Qs, Td ]
LooseOne111 checks.
PtownPlaya12 checks.
Namorf checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
LooseOne111 bets (210)
PtownPlaya12 folds.
Namorf calls (210)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]
LooseOne111 bets (740)
LooseOne111 is all-In.
Namorf calls (500)
Namorf is all-In.

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Hand #7

Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Overot (1380)
Seat 3: vetteguy (565)
Seat 5: silver1550 (2360)
Seat 7: Namorf (540)
Seat 8: tmoneychi (610)
Seat 9: pufpufgiv420 (2545)
Overot posts small blind (75)
vetteguy posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ Ah, 7s ]
silver1550 calls (150)
Namorf raises (540) to 540
Namorf is all-In.
tmoneychi folds.
pufpufgiv420 folds.
Overot folds.
vetteguy folds.
silver1550 calls (390)

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Hand #8

Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: emaj1 (1925)
Seat 2: CrushedDraw (820)
Seat 3: Namorf (675)
Seat 6: redrooski19 (540)
Seat 9: sbhill7 (3525)
Seat 10: rsimmons21 (515)
Namorf posts small blind (50)
redrooski19 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Namorf [ 3h, Kd ]
sbhill7 folds.
rsimmons21 folds.
emaj1 folds.
CrushedDraw folds.
Namorf raises (625) to 675
Namorf is all-In.
redrooski19 calls (440)
redrooski19 is all-In.

jcm4ccc
07-16-2005, 05:19 AM
Hand #3 is interesting. You should post that in a separate thread.

I think hand #5 is too aggressive. Too many people yet to call who have you covered, and you're not desperate yet.

Most of these are standard (which I think you know). And I think hand #6 is essentially a bad beat post. You should post the "few idiotic hands" that you found in your search. Maybe you've been tilting because of your bad streak.

lastchance
07-16-2005, 05:28 AM
Hand 1) Wow, that downswing must be getting to you. Auto-shove!

Hand 2) I think this is marginal. Folding sucks, but it might be right, except you have to pay blinds... I fold.

Hand 3) I disagree that this is interesting. I think J4o is way too good to fold here. Shove, and it's not close.

Hand 4) Arrgh, I'm not sure about these spots, but I think this is a shove. I think it's a shove.

Hand 5) I'm too tight here, but I don't like this. I'd fold.

Hand 6) Slowplaying sucks. Here, I guess it's ok. Of course you call the river, but I like raising turn here.

Hand 7) OOP and that limper which calls you, but with 4x BB, A7o looks like gold. Shove.

Hand 8) Do this as fast as you can. Shove.

curtains
07-16-2005, 05:35 AM
Hands 1-4 are clear allins. Hand 5 is an easy fold.

curtains
07-16-2005, 05:37 AM
Hand 6 is stupid, slowplaying there is just ridiculous what are you thinking? Stop slowplaying just because you have the nuts. I dont know where everyone got the idea that this is how to play good hands but everyone seems to do it and its so terrible.

The flop is QJT!!!! QUEEN JACK TEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO you think its possible this flop maybe hit someone else in the hand. The answer is yes, and the answer is also that they will pay you off a lot of money if they have. I see absolutely no logical reason to slowplay, none whatsoever. What are you hoping for? That someone with 44 magically catches a 4 and gives you all their money. I think the chances that someone has a made hand or a draw that they would pay money to try to catch on a QJT flop are much higher than that.

Im being mean about that because its such a dreadfully played hand. It's beyond terrible to slowplay. You have the mindset of "I have a huge hand, let's slowplay, without any thought or logic going into it".

Anyway sorry again, Im being harsh not just for you but for others reading that also slowplay for no good reason. I just cannot emphasize enough how terrible it is to check behind on this flop.


PS - Other reasons why slowplaying is terible is that if they have a made hand like 2 pair now, a king, ace or nine on the turn kills your action, whereas you may get it all if you bet out on the flop.

curtains
07-16-2005, 05:39 AM
Hand 7 I fold, hand 8 is a clear allin.

Taraz
07-16-2005, 05:42 AM
I deserved that for the AK play. I froze up because of the downswing and was just absolutely paralyzed. That kind of ripping is exactly what I need to get back to playing normally again . . .

Thanks for the replies so far.

jcm4ccc
07-16-2005, 05:49 AM
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Hand 3) I disagree that this is interesting. I think J4o is way too good to fold here. Shove, and it's not close.


[/ QUOTE ] I think it's interesting because J4o is only 46% against a random hand, and you will get called almost every time here. If you lose this hand, you are by far in the worst shape at the table.

Folding is probably worse. But I don't think it's "not close."

curtains
07-16-2005, 05:50 AM
Jcm4cc the J4o hand isn't close at all, folding is terrible, absolutely terrible.

TheUsher
07-16-2005, 05:52 AM
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I deserved that for the AK play. I froze up because of the downswing and was just absolutely paralyzed. That kind of ripping is exactly what I need to get back to playing normally again . . .

Thanks for the replies so far.

[/ QUOTE ]

You lose to KQd on that AK hand? I agree with what curtains says btw about the hand.

Taraz
07-16-2005, 06:14 AM
QdJd . . . I wasn't even mad that I lost. I was mad cause I didn't even make him pay to see the river. My poor dog got yelled at after that one, "Why the f--- do I do that Anthrax!" as he comes over and licks my hand.

(Yes my dog's name is Anthrax. And no he was not named after 9-11 and the anthrax scare, he's older than that. It's been problematic, but let's just say he also responds to being called plainly "dog".)

fluorescenthippo
07-17-2005, 05:40 AM
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Hand 7 I fold, hand 8 is a clear allin.

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curtains can you please explain why hand 7 is a fold. i think i lot of people would push here and im curious as to your reasoning.

thanks

DasLeben
07-17-2005, 05:54 AM
I easily push hands 1-4 and fold 5. In hand 6, I think the flop check is fine, but you really need to get out there and protect your hand on the turn.

I thought hand 7 was a clear push until I looked at it more closely. The limper is not going to fold to a push, and you're probably looking at a pocket pair or a couple broadways. Either way, you're committing yourself to a coinflip, in which you may be a dog.

Oh, and hand 8 is a push.

curtains
07-17-2005, 05:59 AM
Very little fold equity, many players behind you who could wake up with something, and a hand that plays pretty poorly against an UTG limper. Just not enough upside, I'd rather fold and take the blinds and hope for a better situation. If UTG had folded, this would be a clearcut allin.